[clue] [POLITICS] The rights to of the people are gone.

[Dennis J Perkins]

I was inclined to let it slide as long as the topic died quickly.  After 
reading these comments, I agree that the list should be focused on Linux and 
other FLOSS.  And job postings to help CLUEbies find work.

On Sunday, December 04, 2011 09:44:40 AM David L. Willson wrote:
> Below is the description of the CLUE list, from this page:
> http://cluedenver.org/mailman/listinfo/clue, by the much-revered Dave A.
> Hanson:
> 
> "The clue list is our forum for discussions about GNU/Linux and Free
> Software. Ask questions, receive answers, and generally discuss topics
> related to Free Software and computing. "Job openings or desires are OK but
> please don't post attachments. Please provide contact info or links so that
> people can pursue their interest off the list."
> 
> Therefore, I retract my earlier statement. Non-relevant postings are not OK.
> When a post author is asked to relate his post to Free Software, he should
> do so plainly. Trolling can result in being kicked. Persistent trolling can
> result in being banned.
> 
> Will Sterling, Crawford Rainwater, and M Paul Webb were right, and I was
> wrong. I am sorry for my mis-leading post.
> 
> There is no longer a CLUE-sponsored channel for off-topic discussions. Take
> them ... somewhere else.
> 
> David L. Willson
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> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> 
> > My understanding was that the great merge would have encompassed
> > clue-talk, as well.
> > 
> > On Dec 4, 2011, at 8:13 AM, M Paul Webb < hsechmvt at yahoo.com > wrote:
> > > Obviously, that last post by Torren was blatant abuse of this
> > > group's
> > > objectives. However, sometimes political issues do become involved
> > > in how we use our computers, and right now, the possibility of
> > > censorship is a legitimate concern -- but not as a call for
> > > violence. At times, mere administrator discretion is called for in
> > > controlling the e-mails.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Here is how I state the rule on my forum.
> > > 
> > > <<< Posting with intent to derail and harass conversation, or to
> > > promote an agenda subverts the objectives of the forum. At times it
> > > is difficult to distinguish between trolling and genuine
> > > disagreement. However, as a general rule, administration reserves
> > > the right to ban any participant or to remove any post or thread,
> > > by
> > > discretion and at any time, when it appears the purpose of the
> > > forum
> > > and its rules and guidelines have been compromised.>>>
> > > 
> > > 
> > > From: Crawford Rainwater < crawford.rainwater at linux-etc.com >
> > > 
> > > To: clue at cluedenver.org
> > > 
> > > Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 6:38 PM
> > > 
> > > Subject: Re: [clue] [POLITICS] The rights to of the people are
> > > gone.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Torren and others on the list:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > This is related to Linux and Open Source which is the main
> > > topic/purpose of this user group's email list how I do inquire?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I am requesting the list admins actually start administrating the
> > > list some if this is going to become common place. Being a former
> > > admin that retired, I find this personally questionable as to being
> > > appropriate for a general list here (maybe the old CLUE-Talk list
> > > at
> > > best).
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Thanks in advance.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- Crawford
> > > 
> > > 
> > > ----- Torren Beitler < torren.beitler at gmail.com > wrote: -----
> > > 
> > > > Who here is deeply disturbed by the fact that you can now be
> > > > held...
> > > 
> > > <...snipped...due to subject matter being questionable regarding
> > > this
> > > list...>
> > > 
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