[clue] [OT] Comment about contentious subjects

[Kevin Fries]

On 02/09/2011 03:30 PM, YES NOPE9 wrote:
>> I am all about freedom of speech.
> But only if it pleases you... otherwise  out out damned spot

You really that ignorant.  You don't know me, or you would be laughing 
at you right now.  I am always up for a great debate, and will argue my 
point till you are completely annoyed, as will everyone else around us.  
Know your audience before you open your mouth before you look stupid... 
woops, too late.

>> But I also think that there is a time
>> and place for everything.  One could talk about all the positive aspects
>> of Adolf Hitler such as dramatically improved literacy rates, near
>> elimination of poverty, and a number of other positives that Hitler's
>> reign brought. But, a Jewish Synagog is probably not the appropriate
>> place.  You can also talk about all the evil Adolf Hitler did like the
>> concentration camps, experimentation on humans, attempted world
>> domination, etc.  But again, probably not at a skinhead rally.
> We could create an Adolf Hitler tag [AH]

How can you be on the CLUE mailing list and be this clueless.  This is 
exactly the logic that is failing.  People are not good at self 
monitoring themselves.  I also belong to the Phoenix user group, and 
they fight with the same problems, constantly.   Nice try, but please, 
read the arguments before trying to reply.

>> There needs to be a time and place for everything.  And if someone wants
>> to discuss Aldolf Hitler with me, lets meet at the Barstool
>> Philosopher's group, or privately for coffee.  But this is CLUE,
>> Colorado Linux Users and Enthusiasts.
> This is about CLUE politics ... which should not be private.  CLUE politics affect the members.   CLUE politics can be easily spammed away by only accepting the tags you want.  I or others can show you how.

Your kidding right?  Anyone else what to tell this jerk who I am?

>>   Not a political forum.  If the
>> topic is about some legislation that effects operating systems,
>> therefore effecting Linux either directly or indirectly, then it is
>> appropriate in this forum.  You want to talk about god, then it better
>> be documented proof about how god loves Linux and hates Windows and
>> Mac.  Otherwise, you really need to find another forum.
> The above appears to be hyperbole.  If you really hate extraneous things on the mailing list, then unsubscribe and watch for the announcements on the website.  Eventually, as others have suggested , we can put this stuff on forums.

Don't have time for forums.  I usually use email and text alerts.  But I 
also don't have time for this conversation either.  My day today is 
slow, our Japanese servers are running regression tests, and our new 
server cluster (one app, 25+ servers, 1 cluster) so my work load is 
light.  On a normal day, I would never visit forums.

>> Bringing contentious topics into this group does not make this group
>> stronger, it only gives reason for people to leave.
> I have to completely disagree with you on the above.  It would take 5000 words or more to explain in detail why I believe that avoiding issues just makes them worse.
>> To paraphrase one of the great teachers in history: Render unto Caesar
>> what is Caesar's, and unto Linux what is Linux's.
> This is CLUE business.

Nope its not, and I am extremely busy, and no longer have time for you.  
Guess I will just need to employ the ultimate filter.  My involvement in 
CLUE used to be extensive.  As the infighting has grown, my involvement 
has become less.  My life is getting busy, and I really need to pick my 
fights.  Most of this conversation is proving that maybe its time for me 
to move on.  David, I know you are trying hard to get me to talk on any 
number of topics, and I really was considering doing so.  But this group 
needs to get its house in order.  I have put a poll out to my group this 
morning to start taking over many of the things CLUE used to do, but 
lately has lost its control over, especially up north where I now live 
(I used to live real close to David Willson, but now I live in Brighton, 
so for me to come down here there needs to be a good reason).

This jerk is exactly the person that needs filtering.  This is thread is 
exactly the kind of crap somebody like myself, a high level, extremely 
busy Linux professional does not need to deal with.  Topics need to be 
filtered to Linux topics, or I will just stop reading.  I lead a Linux 
group with almost 200 members, work full time as a senior Linux Admin, 
and have a family with a wife and four kids, so I contribute where I 
can, when I can, in whatever way I can.  I don't have time for crap like 
this.

Kevin Fries