[clue] clue Digest, Vol 1, Issue 8
Bill Slusher
billslusher at comcast.net
Wed Feb 9 16:14:56 MST 2011
hi
not trying to be rude here but the only reason i joined this list was for
any potential job posts that i may be interested in. is there a way for me
to just get those type emails and not all the rest of this?
thank you,
Bill
970-672-3881
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> 1. Re: [OT] Comment about contentious subjects (Matt)
> 2. Re: [OT] Comment about contentious subjects (Philipp Giddings)
> 3. Re: [OT] Comment about contentious subjects (David L. Willson)
> 4. Re: [OT] Comment about contentious subjects (blake)
> 5. Re: [OT] Comment about contentious subjects (Kevin Fries)
> 6. Re: [OT] Comment about contentious subjects
> (dennisjperkins at comcast.net)
> 7. Re: [OT] Comment about contentious subjects (Adrian Noland)
> 8. Announcement and job lists will be restored
> (dennisjperkins at comcast.net)
> 9. [EVENTS] How did the DTC meeting turn out ? (YES NOPE9)
> 10. Re: [EVENTS] How did the DTC meeting turn out ?
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2011 12:10:38 -0700
> From: Matt <matt at osource.org>
> Subject: Re: [clue] [OT] Comment about contentious subjects
> To: clue at cluedenver.org
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> On 02/09/2011 11:31 AM, YES NOPE9 wrote:
>>>
>>> On Feb 8, 2011, at 11:30 PM, Maxwell Spangler wrote:
>>>
>>> I should have remembered that when standing in the middle of two people
>>> fighting: don't tell jokes, nobody laughs.
>>>
>>> I promise that the Santa-Wars story referenced in my last message is
>>> actually constructive. It shows that even in the community of jolly
>>> Santas conflict can develop and when handled poorly communities can be
>>> destroyed, small issues grow larger, friendships are destroyed and I'd
>>> like to think it could be avoided. Seriously, listen to the story and
>>> learn from it.
>>>
>>
>> I would not want to join a list where private fights were going on that
>> affect the group. If I don't know what is going on, I cannot know
>> whether I can provide something to smooth the situations over. I have
>> stood in the middle of two drunk guys ready to fight and told them a
>> joke. Worked for me. This recent brouhaha is a good example. Various
>> people insist " that if we only knew all the facts " that their position
>> would be vindicated. Since all sorts of "secret" facts are not being
>> revealed , I have no idea of how I might be involved or what I can do to
>> smooth things over. I am excited about Linux, FLOSS and POSH and I have
>> energy to make it happen. By the way.... anything "I" make public or put
>> on the website or mailing list is owned by the world as far as I am
>> concerned.
>>
>> Best to all
>> gus in denver 99gus
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2011 12:36:38 -0700
> From: Philipp Giddings <webmaster at continentalbook.com>
> Subject: Re: [clue] [OT] Comment about contentious subjects
> To: CLUE's mailing list <clue at cluedenver.org>
> Message-ID: <4D52ECC6.70304 at continentalbook.com>
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> Can't we all just get along?
>
> On 2/9/2011 12:10 PM, Matt wrote:
>> unsubscribe (from this thread.)
>>
>>
>> On 02/09/2011 11:31 AM, YES NOPE9 wrote:
>>>> On Feb 8, 2011, at 11:30 PM, Maxwell Spangler wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I should have remembered that when standing in the middle of two people
>>>> fighting: don't tell jokes, nobody laughs.
>>>>
>>>> I promise that the Santa-Wars story referenced in my last message is
>>>> actually constructive. It shows that even in the community of jolly
>>>> Santas conflict can develop and when handled poorly communities can be
>>>> destroyed, small issues grow larger, friendships are destroyed and I'd
>>>> like to think it could be avoided. Seriously, listen to the story and
>>>> learn from it.
>>>>
>>> I would not want to join a list where private fights were going on that
>>> affect the group. If I don't know what is going on, I cannot know
>>> whether I can provide something to smooth the situations over. I have
>>> stood in the middle of two drunk guys ready to fight and told them a
>>> joke. Worked for me. This recent brouhaha is a good example. Various
>>> people insist " that if we only knew all the facts " that their position
>>> would be vindicated. Since all sorts of "secret" facts are not being
>>> revealed , I have no idea of how I might be involved or what I can do to
>>> smooth things over. I am excited about Linux, FLOSS and POSH and I have
>>> energy to make it happen. By the way.... anything "I" make public or
>>> put on the website or mailing list is owned by the world as far as I am
>>> concerned.
>>>
>>> Best to all
>>> gus in denver 99gus
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> clue mailing list
>>> clue at cluedenver.org
>>> http://cluedenver.org/mailman/listinfo/clue
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 12:43:42 -0700 (MST)
> From: "David L. Willson" <DLWillson at TheGeek.NU>
> Subject: Re: [clue] [OT] Comment about contentious subjects
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> For those that have heard enough "off topic" chatter, you should be able
> to set an auto-delete rule on "[clue] [OT]" in the subject line, and that
> should end the noise for you.
>
> If you don't know how, give me a call in the evening, and I can help you
> do that over the phone in most client programs, or with a quick remote
> session over VNC, Yugma, or WebEx.
>
> I'm sorry for the inconvenience.
>
> David L. Willson
> Trainer, Engineer, Enthusiast
> RHCE MCT MCSE Network+ A+ Linux+ LPIC-1 NovellCLA UbuntuCP
> tel://720.333.LANS
> Freedom is better when you earn it. Learn Linux.
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 21:53:07 +0200
> From: "blake" <blake at berry1.com>
> Subject: Re: [clue] [OT] Comment about contentious subjects
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> Thanks David!
>
> Blake
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: clue-bounces at cluedenver.org [mailto:clue-bounces at cluedenver.org] On
> Behalf Of David L. Willson
> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 9:44 PM
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> Subject: Re: [clue] [OT] Comment about contentious subjects
>
> For those that have heard enough "off topic" chatter, you should be able
> to
> set an auto-delete rule on "[clue] [OT]" in the subject line, and that
> should end the noise for you.
>
> If you don't know how, give me a call in the evening, and I can help you
> do
> that over the phone in most client programs, or with a quick remote
> session
> over VNC, Yugma, or WebEx.
>
> I'm sorry for the inconvenience.
>
> David L. Willson
> Trainer, Engineer, Enthusiast
> RHCE MCT MCSE Network+ A+ Linux+ LPIC-1 NovellCLA UbuntuCP
> tel://720.333.LANS
> Freedom is better when you earn it. Learn Linux.
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> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2011 13:11:46 -0700
> From: Kevin Fries <kfries6 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [clue] [OT] Comment about contentious subjects
> To: CLUE's mailing list <clue at cluedenver.org>
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> -----Original Message-----
>> For those that have heard enough "off topic" chatter, you should be able
>> to
>> set an auto-delete rule on "[clue] [OT]" in the subject line, and that
>> should end the noise for you.
>>
>> If you don't know how, give me a call in the evening, and I can help you
>> do
>> that over the phone in most client programs, or with a quick remote
>> session
>> over VNC, Yugma, or WebEx.
>>
>> I'm sorry for the inconvenience.
> My only problem with this statement is that why are we eliminating all
> these lists, then telling end users that if they don't like it, filter
> out what they don't like. How about not dumping onto them contentious
> subjects, admin stuff, etc in the first place?
>
> I am all about freedom of speech. But I also think that there is a time
> and place for everything. One could talk about all the positive aspects
> of Adolf Hitler such as dramatically improved literacy rates, near
> elimination of poverty, and a number of other positives that Hitler's
> reign brought. But, a Jewish Synagog is probably not the appropriate
> place. You can also talk about all the evil Adolf Hitler did like the
> concentration camps, experimentation on humans, attempted world
> domination, etc. But again, probably not at a skinhead rally.
>
> There needs to be a time and place for everything. And if someone wants
> to discuss Aldolf Hitler with me, lets meet at the Barstool
> Philosopher's group, or privately for coffee. But this is CLUE,
> Colorado Linux Users and Enthusiasts. Not a political forum. If the
> topic is about some legislation that effects operating systems,
> therefore effecting Linux either directly or indirectly, then it is
> appropriate in this forum. You want to talk about god, then it better
> be documented proof about how god loves Linux and hates Windows and
> Mac. Otherwise, you really need to find another forum.
>
> Bringing contentious topics into this group does not make this group
> stronger, it only gives reason for people to leave.
>
> To paraphrase one of the great teachers in history: Render unto Caesar
> what is Caesar's, and unto Linux what is Linux's.
>
> Just my $0.02
> Kevin
>
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 20:27:32 +0000 (UTC)
> From: dennisjperkins at comcast.net
> Subject: Re: [clue] [OT] Comment about contentious subjects
> To: CLUE's mailing list <clue at cluedenver.org>
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> The lists had been quiet until just after the lists were merged.
> Hopefully, the contention is done.
>
> We are planning on setting up forums on the website, so some topics can be
> discussed there instead.
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> Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 14:47:10 -0600
> From: Adrian Noland <anoland at indigente.net>
> Subject: Re: [clue] [OT] Comment about contentious subjects
> To: CLUE's mailing list <clue at cluedenver.org>
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> On Feb 9, 2011, at 2:11 PM, Kevin Fries <kfries6 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>> For those that have heard enough "off topic" chatter, you should be able
>>> to
>>> set an auto-delete rule on "[clue] [OT]" in the subject line, and that
>>> should end the noise for you.
>>>
>>> If you don't know how, give me a call in the evening, and I can help you
>>> do
>>> that over the phone in most client programs, or with a quick remote
>>> session
>>> over VNC, Yugma, or WebEx.
>>>
>>> I'm sorry for the inconvenience.
>> My only problem with this statement is that why are we eliminating all
>> these lists, then telling end users that if they don't like it, filter
>> out what they don't like. How about not dumping onto them contentious
>> subjects, admin stuff, etc in the first place?
>>
>>
> Goodwin's law aside, the main reason I only subscribed to the announce
> list was so that I could keep up with the meeting events. The vote to
> merge the lists was not known to me in advance, and the subsequent rabble
> has blown up my inbox (figuratively).
>
> I'm not pleased with the group right now and I'll be un-subbed tonight
> when I can get online.
>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 20:59:00 +0000 (UTC)
> From: dennisjperkins at comcast.net
> Subject: [clue] Announcement and job lists will be restored
> To: CLUE's mailing list <clue at cluedenver.org>
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> The announcement and job lists will be restored. There are no plans to
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> Message: 9
> Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 14:05:07 -0700
> From: YES NOPE9 <yes at nope9.com>
> Subject: [clue] [EVENTS] How did the DTC meeting turn out ?
> To: CLUE's mailing list <clue at cluedenver.org>
> Message-ID: <AFB079D4-3315-4D40-900E-C96BC2CF98B9 at nope9.com>
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> I am sorry I could not come
>
> gus in denver 99gus
>
>
>
> [LINUX] Stuff about using Linux was TECH
> [TALK] chit chat about the club
> [ADMIN] chit chat about poobah stuff
> [EVENTS] events past or present or FUTURE
> [HARDWARE] Stuff about Linux Hardware
> [JOBS]
> [ADS] Buy or sell
> [OT] Off Topic rants, politics, etc.
>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 21:11:41 +0000 (UTC)
> From: dennisjperkins at comcast.net
> Subject: Re: [clue] [EVENTS] How did the DTC meeting turn out ?
> To: CLUE's mailing list <clue at cluedenver.org>
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> Pretty good. We didn't have a large turnout, but that could have been due
> to the weather. The talk was interesting and it was a conversation instead
> of just a presentation.
>
> I'm not sure if Crawford's eruption has really hurt the group. Confused
> and concerned people, yes. But it was not a topic last night, just a
> couple of questions off to the side. Some of the people who protested on
> line never come to meetings. I guess we'll find out over the next few
> months how much damage actually occurred.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "YES NOPE9" <yes at nope9.com>
> To: "CLUE's mailing list" <clue at cluedenver.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 9, 2011 2:05:07 PM
> Subject: [clue] [EVENTS] How did the DTC meeting turn out ?
>
> I am sorry I could not come
>
> gus in denver 99gus
>
>
>
> [LINUX] Stuff about using Linux was TECH
> [TALK] chit chat about the club
> [ADMIN] chit chat about poobah stuff
> [EVENTS] events past or present or FUTURE
> [HARDWARE] Stuff about Linux Hardware
> [JOBS]
> [ADS] Buy or sell
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