[clue] website problems

[Shawn Perry]

One option was missed.  Moving to a new web host.  Bluehost handles Drupal
pretty well, and it has mailman as well.  We use anything else?  If there is
any interest in perusing this, I'm a Bluehost affiliate and I'll gladly
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affiliate link.


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On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 6:00 PM, chris fedde <chris at fedde.us> wrote:

> What is hindering use of Drupal on the current system is pretty
> obvious.  It is thrashing because of a shortage of ram for the given
> configuration. This conclusion has been vetted by the experiment that
> Dennis and I completed on my home system (http://drupal.fedde.us).
>
> There are three potential solutions to this problem on the current
> platform.
> * Increase the memory.
> * Tune back the memory use of mysql and drupal/PHP so that they don't
> use more more than is available.
> * Abandon the drupal approach and return to the current technology.
>
> Solving these technical issues have been complicated by social layer
> issues relating to authority, access and transitions in
> responsibility.   A server committee was called and met.
> Recommendations were made on approaches to solving the problem.  Notes
> from that meeting were posted to the mailing list by our treasurer
> (thanks Gus).
>
> IMHO the conclusions of the server committee's recommendations should
> be adopted:
> * Adopt Drupal as the forward moving technology solution for CLUE
> webserver.
> * Form an admin group of those able and willing to administer the
> server with more than one member.
> * Migrate the CLUEDenver.org website to new VPS.
> * Design and adopt reasonable server administration practices and
> policies to enable group admin.
> * Ensure that some practice or policy attempt to address the orderly
> transition of admin group members.
>
> In the interim use of the non Drupal website is exactly the right solution.
>
> As always helpful commentary is welcome.
> chris
>
> On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 5:27 PM, Raymond DeRoo <rderoo at deroo.net> wrote:
> > Gus--
> >
> >> There are better methods to recovering from this issue than what you are
> doing.   Are you consulting with people privately to resolve this ?  If so,
> who are they ? I have not heard any public discussion about how this should
> be handled.
> >
> > I would say that I tend to agree with Dennis in this matter. The decision
> to rollback after a week+ of near continuos failure is the correct decision.
> Whether he made that choice alone, with a private club having a secret
> handshake, or by "democratic" voting, really doesn't matter from my
> perspective. I'd rather have a leader make a decision which he feels is in
> the best interest of the group than be hamstrung because the vocal minority
> doesn't like the option.
> >
> > That being said, I have offered my services to the group to help assist
> with the performance issue, especially as there is a real belief that it is
> related to MySQL. Dennis said he would provide the data. That entire
> interchange was on this list, so I'm not sure why you wouldn't classify that
> as a "public discussion". Personally, I'm doubtful this is a MySQL issue,
> and I would say the issue is most likely with drupal. But the simple fact
> that the site is running on a VPS mean *ALL* bets are off when it comes to
> any kind of performance expectations and measurements.
> >
> > Now my offer to help still stands, I would expect that the data points I
> need would be coming some time next week once the drupal site restored. Gus
> do you have an ab test suite to stress the drupal install? What monitoring
> metrics do you suggest? Do you have nagios/munin installed? What problem
> solving have you done thus far? What have been the results of your findings?
> What methods do you suggest for providing the needed information to
> community members and recovering from the current dreadful performance
> issue?
> >
> > I look forward to your answers as I do not wish to waste times covering
> areas which you have checked through.
> >
> > .r
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