[clue] website problems

Tue May 24 19:08:15 MDT 2011

Definitely.  No one suggested BlueHost on Saturday and I had forgotten
about it.  I hope Shawn can come.

On Tue, 2011-05-24 at 18:29 -0600, chris fedde wrote:

> Shawn,
> 
> I'm sorry if my message was too long.  In the section that begins
> "IMHO" one of the recommendations is
>   >> * Migrate the CLUEDenver.org website to new VPS.
> 
> We'd love to consider Bluehost and would welcome input at the next
> server committee meeting proposed for the evening of Thursday, June 2.
>  I'm sure Dennis will welcome more representation.
> 
> Keep in a cool dry place.
> Chris
> 
> 
> On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 6:11 PM, Shawn Perry <shawn at redmop.com> wrote:
> > One option was missed.  Moving to a new web host.  Bluehost handles Drupal
> > pretty well, and it has mailman as well.  We use anything else?  If there is
> > any interest in perusing this, I'm a Bluehost affiliate and I'll gladly
> > donate my affiliate pay to CLUE.  http://www.bluehost.com/track/redmop is my
> > affiliate link.
> >
> >
> > Shawn T Perry
> > Red Mop Computing Services
> > email: shawn at redmop.com
> > office: 720-319-7627
> > cell: 303-881-2623
> > web: http://www.redmop.com
> > facebook:
> > http://www.facebook.com/pages/Red-Mop-Computing-Services/114352628589778
> > linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/in/shawnperry
> >
> >
> > On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 6:00 PM, chris fedde <chris at fedde.us> wrote:
> >>
> >> What is hindering use of Drupal on the current system is pretty
> >> obvious.  It is thrashing because of a shortage of ram for the given
> >> configuration. This conclusion has been vetted by the experiment that
> >> Dennis and I completed on my home system (http://drupal.fedde.us).
> >>
> >> There are three potential solutions to this problem on the current
> >> platform.
> >> * Increase the memory.
> >> * Tune back the memory use of mysql and drupal/PHP so that they don't
> >> use more more than is available.
> >> * Abandon the drupal approach and return to the current technology.
> >>
> >> Solving these technical issues have been complicated by social layer
> >> issues relating to authority, access and transitions in
> >> responsibility.   A server committee was called and met.
> >> Recommendations were made on approaches to solving the problem.  Notes
> >> from that meeting were posted to the mailing list by our treasurer
> >> (thanks Gus).
> >>
> >> IMHO the conclusions of the server committee's recommendations should
> >> be adopted:
> >> * Adopt Drupal as the forward moving technology solution for CLUE
> >> webserver.
> >> * Form an admin group of those able and willing to administer the
> >> server with more than one member.
> >> * Migrate the CLUEDenver.org website to new VPS.
> >> * Design and adopt reasonable server administration practices and
> >> policies to enable group admin.
> >> * Ensure that some practice or policy attempt to address the orderly
> >> transition of admin group members.
> >>
> >> In the interim use of the non Drupal website is exactly the right
> >> solution.
> >>
> >> As always helpful commentary is welcome.
> >> chris
> >>
> >> On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 5:27 PM, Raymond DeRoo <rderoo at deroo.net> wrote:
> >> > Gus--
> >> >
> >> >> There are better methods to recovering from this issue than what you
> >> >> are doing.   Are you consulting with people privately to resolve this ?  If
> >> >> so, who are they ? I have not heard any public discussion about how this
> >> >> should be handled.
> >> >
> >> > I would say that I tend to agree with Dennis in this matter. The
> >> > decision to rollback after a week+ of near continuos failure is the correct
> >> > decision. Whether he made that choice alone, with a private club having a
> >> > secret handshake, or by "democratic" voting, really doesn't matter from my
> >> > perspective. I'd rather have a leader make a decision which he feels is in
> >> > the best interest of the group than be hamstrung because the vocal minority
> >> > doesn't like the option.
> >> >
> >> > That being said, I have offered my services to the group to help assist
> >> > with the performance issue, especially as there is a real belief that it is
> >> > related to MySQL. Dennis said he would provide the data. That entire
> >> > interchange was on this list, so I'm not sure why you wouldn't classify that
> >> > as a "public discussion". Personally, I'm doubtful this is a MySQL issue,
> >> > and I would say the issue is most likely with drupal. But the simple fact
> >> > that the site is running on a VPS mean *ALL* bets are off when it comes to
> >> > any kind of performance expectations and measurements.
> >> >
> >> > Now my offer to help still stands, I would expect that the data points I
> >> > need would be coming some time next week once the drupal site restored. Gus
> >> > do you have an ab test suite to stress the drupal install? What monitoring
> >> > metrics do you suggest? Do you have nagios/munin installed? What problem
> >> > solving have you done thus far? What have been the results of your findings?
> >> > What methods do you suggest for providing the needed information to
> >> > community members and recovering from the current dreadful performance
> >> > issue?
> >> >
> >> > I look forward to your answers as I do not wish to waste times covering
> >> > areas which you have checked through.
> >> >
> >> > .r
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