[clue] 17" Linux-based laptop
Shawn T Perry
shawn at redmop.com
Thu Oct 11 19:11:39 MDT 2012
Look for this model with Linux on it. I know it runs linux as I boot it on
there in a store. Everything works. FAST. A bit heavy at 8 pounds for a
15 inch though. No Screwyness.
http://www.xoticpc.com/asus-g55vwds71-p-4322.html
Shawn T Perry
Red Mop Computing Services
office: 720-319-7627
cell: 303-881-2623
On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 3:10 PM, David L. Willson <DLWillson at thegeek.nu>wrote:
> My friends are warned that there may be some mild ranting in this post.
>
> I don't think it's unpatriotic to buy things as cheaply as possible, but
> it may be short-sighted. Have a close look at the food industry. Often it's
> better to consider what goes into what you buy. Also, some person I
> listened to somewhere said that we (Americans) had better be good at making
> something other than money, because the value of money can vary greatly
> over time. Ask anyone on a fixed income about that.
>
> With regard to "Microsoft Tax", I know that it is offset by the benefits
> of standardization. Standardizing on Windows is far less expensive for a
> maker than testing their machines with other OS's. So, even after the maker
> pays $15 to $100 per license for OEM Windows, the overall cost to the
> customer is less than a comparably-equipped box with the user's choice of
> OS.
>
> It really depends on your goals. If you want power/price, buy your
> machines with Windows, and that'll be good for you, but not interesting to
> me, off-topic to this list, and off-topic to this thread. ie: You're
> ignoring an important part of my problem set.
>
> 0. I run Linux almost all the time, because it makes me happy. When I run
> Windows, I want to cry and stab my face. Buying a cheap off-the-shelf
> laptop is not a good option for me, because of the risk that the hardware
> won't fully and immediately support Linux.
> 1. I care about Linux and the whole Free software thing. Helping that to
> grow is a part of my life's mission. Sending my money to eRacks is an
> attractive option. Sending my money to Microsoft is not an option.
> 2. I care about some games, somewhat. I love Minecraft and Descent and I
> look forward to buying Left for Dead 2 when doing so sends a pro-Linux
> vote. I don't have time to play every game, and getting the games to run is
> often more fun for me than playing them. Yes, I know that's perverse, and I
> don't care.
>
> So, mind the OP, and the Subject, please. I'm looking for a big honkin'
> Linux-based laptop, not just a laptop. If you're looking for something
> else, great, but don't hijack my thread.
>
> I ~know~ I'll pay a premium to get ~my~ laptop. I pay extra every time I
> buy Humble Bundle, and I give money to charities, too. I do it on purpose.
>
> If you have a solution that is better than the eRacks laptop, great, but
> please don't change the problem to fit your solution. Imagine how annoyed
> you'd be if you asked how to do something in Exim, and someone told you how
> easy it is to do the same thing in Exchange, because "they do the same
> thing" and "the first two letters are the same". Their answer might be
> interesting to them, but it's distracting noise in the search for an answer
> to your problem.
>
> --
> David L. Willson
> Trainer, Engineer, Enthusiast
> RHCE Network+ A+ Linux+ LPIC-1 Ubuntu
> Mobile 720-333-LANS(5267)
>
> This is a good time for a r3VOLution.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> > I also wonder about the actual value of the microsoft tax. I think
> > that it is cool that companies sell machines with linux pre-installed
> > and I'd go for it if the dollar amount was comparable.
> >
> > I guess what I'm saying is that I'd rather ship jobs overseas and do
> > my own re-partion/install than pay extra for a linux pre-installed
> > box. Call me unpatriotic.
> >
> > chris
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 12:34 PM, Shawn T Perry <shawn at redmop.com>
> > wrote:
> > > I'm not sure why I'd buy any of those three laptops. They all cost
> > > about
> > > 200 more than the ones that come with Windows from other vendors,
> > > and I can
> > > install Ubuntu or whatever myself. Heck, I'll wipe and reinstall
> > > Windows
> > > after I image it anyway.
> > >
> > > I'm all for open source, but I fail to see a Microsoft Tax here.
> > > Also, I
> > > regularly use Windows for both work and games. WINE just doesn't
> > > cut it
> > > yet.
> > >
> > > I've also yet to see a pre-installed Linux laptop with battery life
> > > mentioned, or specs that I want (13-14 inch, >720p, matte, I7,
> > > nVidia,
> > > light, 7+ battery which pretty much means Optimus, at least 8 GB
> > > ram,
> > > replaceable HDD to upgrade to high performance SSD). I'm currently
> > > looking
> > > at the Asus U500 and the UX32VD.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Shawn T Perry
> > > Red Mop Computing Services
> > > office: 720-319-7627
> > > cell: 303-881-2623
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 12:24 PM, David L. Willson
> > > <DLWillson at thegeek.nu>
> > > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Now, THAT's the sort of rig I'm talking about!
> > >>
> > >> http://eracks.com/products/Laptops/config?sku=GAMER
> > >>
> > >> I looked on Lenovo's site, and found nothing appropriate.
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> David L. Willson
> > >> Trainer, Engineer, Enthusiast
> > >> RHCE Network+ A+ Linux+ LPIC-1 Ubuntu
> > >> Mobile 720-333-LANS(5267)
> > >>
> > >> This is a good time for a r3VOLution.
> > >>
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> > Just for the record -- it's not hopeless out there -- I've had a
> > >> > great
> > >> > business relationship with eRacks (www.eracks.com) out in Orange
> > >> > CA
> > >> > for
> > >> > several years now. Good products, good people, great support,
> > >> > and
> > >> > 100%
> > >> > Linux-focused (servers, desktops, laptops).
> > >> >
> > >> > Just adding one more resource to the pool: I recommend them!...
> > >> > Choice
> > >> > is good. Results count. Relationships are everything.
> > >> >
> > >> > best regards,
> > >> > -- Lorin
> > >> >
> > >> > On 10/10/2012 10:16 AM, David L. Willson wrote:
> > >> > > I have used SLED (SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop), and I liked
> > >> > > it
> > >> > > fine. I
> > >> > > don't think it's backed by Novell any more, though.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Do you know a reputable vendor that sells big, powerful
> > >> > > laptops
> > >> > > with
> > >> > > SLED pre-installed?
> > >> > >
> > >> > > And to your final point, I find brand loyalism much, MUCH less
> > >> > > threatening in the land of Free (as in GPL) software, than in
> > >> > > the
> > >> > > land
> > >> > > of free (as in beer and BSD) software or worst of all, in the
> > >> > > land
> > >> > > of
> > >> > > proprietary software. I don't care if people are just crazy
> > >> > > about
> > >> > > Ubuntu
> > >> > > or Red Hat or SUSE. I say God bless 'em and God speed. I do
> > >> > > NOT
> > >> > > feel the
> > >> > > same way about people that are crazy about Windows, OSX,
> > >> > > Oracle,
> > >> > > Netezza, and MapR. I have one simple reason: I hate vendor
> > >> > > lock-in,
> > >> > > and
> > >> > > I've learned to recognize cages and chains.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > --
> > >> > > David L. Willson
> > >> > > Trainer, Engineer, Enthusiast
> > >> > > RHCE Network+ A+ Linux+ LPIC-1 Ubuntu
> > >> > > Mobile 720-333-LANS(5267)
> > >> > >
> > >> > > This is a good time for a r3VOLution.
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >> > >
> > >> > > You should take a look at something that's backed by
> > >> > > Novell and
> > >> > > suse
> > >> > > if you're serious about brand loyalty. Sled is prolly the
> > >> > > only
> > >> > > way
> > >> > > forward with capitalism and Linux.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > There's an excellent discussion here about the trials of
> > >> > > universal
> > >> > > compatibility and conversely brand loyalty. Thoughts?
> > >> > >
> > >> > > On Wednesday, October 10, 2012, David L. Willson wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Hardware vendors and softwarethe vendors are in
> > >> > > business to
> > >> > > make
> > >> > > great products AND make a living. So, when you're
> > >> > > spending,
> > >> > > be
> > >> > > aware that they're watching.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Id no longer makes products for Linux, because a whole
> > >> > > bunch of
> > >> > > people bought the Windows version of DOOM3 and
> > >> > > downloaded
> > >> > > the
> > >> > > Linux binary for free, thereby obscuring their desire
> > >> > > for a
> > >> > > great game on Linux. Id can no longer justify the
> > >> > > effort of
> > >> > > creating the Linux port.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Fortunately, Valve is making their first foray into
> > >> > > Linux-land,
> > >> > > and hopefully, we'll have gotten smarter, enough to
> > >> > > actually be
> > >> > > careful about how our "dollar-votes" get registered.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > So, I will continue to buy every Humble Bundle,
> > >> > > attribute
> > >> > > my
> > >> > > purchase to Linux, and pay more than the average when
> > >> > > I do.
> > >> > > And
> > >> > > I'll buy L4D2 on Steam on Linux, the day it gets
> > >> > > released.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > And, I will only buy Linux-based computers from now
> > >> > > on,
> > >> > > rather
> > >> > > than OSX or Windows-based, so that I can be sure all
> > >> > > my
> > >> > > hardware
> > >> > > will "just work", and my vendor will know that I want
> > >> > > Linux.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > All that to say this... I want to source a Linux
> > >> > > workstation
> > >> > > from a reputable vendor, so I can request it at work:
> > >> > > Why
> > >> > > is
> > >> > > this so damned hard?
> > >> > >
> > >> > > System 76 - Bonobo - gone
> > >> > > Zareason - Verix - gone
> > >> > > Dell - M6700 - Rumor appears to be unfounded
> > >> > >
> > >> > > --
> > >> > > David L. Willson
> > >> > > Trainer, Engineer, Enthusiast
> > >> > > RHCE Network+ A+ Linux+ LPIC-1 Ubuntu
> > >> > > Mobile 720-333-LANS(5267)
> > >> > >
> > >> > > This is a good time for a r3VOLution.
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
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