[clue] Immediate Need

[Yaverot]

I don't think there is a general requirement to be an EOE, but if yo say you're EOE, then you are. If you subcontract for any city/county/state/federal government, you are. If you're regulated by the FCC you are (its in the spectrum sale document).  If you're EOE and hired an unqualified candidate because they don't have your advertised requirements then:
1. any qualified candidate who did apply can sue you (because he did qualify and this other guy didn't)
2. anybody who could have qualified for the real job (as opposed to the advertised one) can sue you
in both cases for breaking EOE because the job "requires" X.  There are plenty of lesser terms to use if that isn't what the employer meant.

It is possible that the group listing the job isn't EOE, so they don't care about the meaning of the word "required". But 99% of job listings I see say that the employer is EOE.  I just assume it now.

I actually don't know what advantage there is to an employer to be EOE.


--- DLWillson at TheGeek.NU wrote:

From: "David L. Willson" <DLWillson at TheGeek.NU>
To: Yaverot at computermail.net, CLUE's mailing list <clue at cluedenver.org>
Subject: Re: [clue] Immediate Need
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 11:35:37 -0600 (MDT)

Is EOE a guideline or a mandatory legal requirement to employers?

This scenario of over-stating job requirements is pretty common. I'd even say that I see more "purple squirrel" job recs than technically accurate ones. It'd be quite a thing if an employer could get in legal trouble because a recruiter made a mistake in the phrasing of the rec, or because they hiring manager decided to drop one or more requirements, because they interviewed a miracle candidate, even though that candidate didn't perfectly match what they thought really were their requirements.

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This is a good time for a r3VOLution.

----- Original Message -----
> Sure, you can look at them, but since they're _requirements_ instead
> of recommendations, suggestions or other more open wording you still
> can't hire them for that position.  Compliance with being an Equal
> Opportunity Employer, and all that. Once the position is re-listed
> with more reasonable requirements, which then starts the search all
> over in finding qualified applicants, then if they meet the new
> requirements they can be hired.
> 
> --- lgoodman at comso.com wrote:
> 
> From: Lisa Goodman <lgoodman at comso.com>
> To: CLUE's mailing list <clue at cluedenver.org>
> Subject: Re: [clue] Immediate Need
> Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 08:55:40 -0400
> 
> Thanks Raymond for the explanation...  just to be clear...
> 
> This is a real opening and we do NOT have an incumbent in the seat.
>  The client's list of "required skills" is their wish list.  If
> someone can come close to meeting most of these requirements, we
> would for sure take a look.
> 
> 
> From: clue-bounces at cluedenver.org
> [mailto:clue-bounces at cluedenver.org] On Behalf Of Raymond DeRoo
> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 8:06 AM
> To: CLUE's mailing list
> Subject: Re: [clue] Immediate Need
> 
> Paul:
> 
> I think they think we are asking for a set of skills that you can't
> find in one individual/animal...  techies!
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purple_squirrel#Purple_Squirrel_.28Employment_Term.29
> 
> Lisa hit the nail on the head. Often postings like this are written
> so an internal candidate is the only one who can really fill role,
> but the need to perform a public search exists. As such, the job req
> is written such that no one can fill it. Let's be honest, how many
> *senior* Unix guys ( any flavor of unix ) have you met that are also
> good Java developers AND have in depth knowledge of SANs.
> 
> 
> Quentin did give us a another good endorsement though... you must
> have made a great impression on him :)
> 
> The original post is saved by Quentin's endorsement position not only
> being real, but obtainable. Now we move the debate to whether or not
> Quentin is a mere mortal but in fact a demi-god living among us. ;)
> 
> Best Regards,
> Raymond
> 
> 
> 
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