[CLUE-Admin] Re: InstallFest

[Mike Benavides]

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>  1. Re:Installfest (tipsrules99 at attbi.com)
>  2. Re: CLUE ADMIN Installfest June 15 (Lynn Danielson)
>  3. RE: CLUE ADMIN Installfest June 15 (Crawford Rainwater)
>  4. Re: CLUE ADMIN Installfest June 15 (Jeffery Cann)
>  5. Re: CLUE ADMIN Installfest June 15 (Lynn Danielson)
>  6. Waiver info (Lynn Danielson)
>  7. Distro CDs and Open Office CDs? (Kevin Cullis)
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>From: tipsrules99 at attbi.com
>To: clue-admin at clue.denver.co.us
>Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 18:46:47 +0000
>Subject: [CLUE-Admin] Re:Installfest
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>I am still trying to touch base with Will because when
>Kevin came out of the blue tell us that it was going to
>be first come first serve it was like we were at two
>different meetings with Will. The room can hold 30-35
>with no problem.  Twenty at the boardroom table and more
>at other tables we need to get them to provide.  With
>some helpers/instructors/socializers, we have an
>installfest no problem mates. I  
>really fail to see any real problem except communication
>or lack there of... I'll try my best to fix it....
>
>Mike  
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>>  1. Fwd: On the Installfest (Jeffery Cann)
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>>  3. Re: Fwd: On the Installfest (Lynn Danielson)
>>  4. RE: Fwd: On the Installfest (Crawford Rainwater)
>>  5. Re: CLUE ADMIN Installfest June 15 (Dave Price)
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>>From: Jeffery Cann <fabian at jefferycann.com>
>>Organization: Planet Earth (tm)
>>To: clue-admin at clue.denver.co.us
>>Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 08:19:27 -0600
>>Subject: [CLUE-Admin] Fwd: On the Installfest
>>Reply-To: clue-admin at clue.denver.co.us
>>
>>Greetings.
>>
>>Crawford offered to sell discounted copies of new distros at the next 
>>installfest.  I told him that I would pose it to the admins.  Does anyone 
>>have an opinion about his offer?
>>
>>Jeff
>>
>>----------  Forwarded Message  ----------
>>
>>Subject: On the Installfest
>>Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 09:01:12 -0600
>>From: "Crawford Rainwater" <crawford.rainwater at itec-co.com>
>>To: <fabian at jefferycann.com>
>>
>>Jeff,
>>
>>Any comments or thoughts from the other CLUE
>>Admin folks on ITEC reselling some distros
>>there?  Just wondering, the normal turn around
>>time if folks wanted to do some advance orders
>>is about 4-5 days.  I can also work on a list
>>as well of current and popular distros for those
>>who are curious (current versions of RedHat and
>>Mandrake are there; not sure about SuSE yet).
>>
>>Thanks in advance.
>>
>>--- Crawford
>>
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>>From: "Crawford Rainwater" <crawford.rainwater at itec-co.com>
>>To: <clue-admin at clue.denver.co.us>
>>Subject: RE: [CLUE-Admin] Fwd: On the Installfest
>>Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 09:08:55 -0600
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>>A side note to the Admins as well.  ITEC would be
>>reselling these (due to the sale tax laws), but at
>>non-profit.  I am working on getting an availability
>>list of the following distros (feel free to make a
>>request for other distros too) and versions:
>>
>>- RedHat 7.3 (2 installs, 1 doc)
>>- Mandrake 8.2 (3 installs)
>>- Slackware 8.0 (1 install, 1 extra, 1 source)
>>- Turbo WS 7.0 (2 installs), Server 6.5 (1 install)
>>- Debian 2.2r6 (3 install)
>>- Yellowdog 2.2 (1 install)
>>
>>No chances for SuSE 8.0 nor Lycoris 1.0 due to reselling
>>issues with those specific distributions.  Caldera 3.1.1
>>(WS and server) ITEC would have to do separately, but
>>possible.
>>
>>The costs would be ~$1.50 per disc, Yellowdog at ~$2.50
>>plus tax.  ITEC would need a minimum of a 50 disc order
>>for these prices, the order can be a mixture of distributions.
>>
>>The idea and logic is for those folks (like myself) who do
>>not have a high speed connection at home for the ISO downloads.
>>At these costs, and these are CD prints, not CD-Rs, it is a
>>very nice alternative that I would like to offer the CLUEbies.
>>A pre-order request list would be nice, and I am willing to take
>>post installfest orders too for those who see something at the
>>installfest they would like to play with later.
>>
>>Just my thoughts behind this, feel free to comment pro and con.
>>I am open either way on this personally.
>>
>>--- Crawford
>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: clue-admin-admin at clue.denver.co.us
>>>[mailto:clue-admin-admin at clue.denver.co.us]On Behalf Of Jeffery Cann
>>>Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 8:19 AM
>>>To: clue-admin at clue.denver.co.us
>>>Subject: [CLUE-Admin] Fwd: On the Installfest
>>>
>>>
>>>Greetings.
>>>
>>>Crawford offered to sell discounted copies of new distros at the next
>>>installfest.  I told him that I would pose it to the admins.  Does anyone
>>>have an opinion about his offer?
>>>
>>>Jeff
>>>
>>>----------  Forwarded Message  ----------
>>>
>>>Subject: On the Installfest
>>>Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 09:01:12 -0600
>>>From: "Crawford Rainwater" <crawford.rainwater at itec-co.com>
>>>To: <fabian at jefferycann.com>
>>>
>>>Jeff,
>>>
>>>Any comments or thoughts from the other CLUE
>>>Admin folks on ITEC reselling some distros
>>>there?  Just wondering, the normal turn around
>>>time if folks wanted to do some advance orders
>>>is about 4-5 days.  I can also work on a list
>>>as well of current and popular distros for those
>>>who are curious (current versions of RedHat and
>>>Mandrake are there; not sure about SuSE yet).
>>>
>>>Thanks in advance.
>>>
>>>--- Crawford
>>>
>>>The I.T.E.C. Company
>>>P.M.B. 146
>>>368 South McCaslin Boulevard
>>>Louisville, CO 80027 USA
>>>(303) 604-2550 (voice)
>>>(866) 604-2550 (toll free)
>>>(303) 664-0036 (fax)
>>>http://www.itec-co.com
>>>
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>>Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 11:10:40 +0000
>>From: Lynn Danielson <lynnd at techangle.com>
>>Organization: Colorado Linux Users & Enthusiast
>>To: clue-admin at clue.denver.co.us
>>Subject: Re: [CLUE-Admin] Fwd: On the Installfest
>>Reply-To: clue-admin at clue.denver.co.us
>>
>>Jeffery Cann wrote:
>>
>>>Crawford offered to sell discounted copies of new distros at the next 
>>>installfest.  I told him that I would pose it to the admins.  Does anyone 
>>>have an opinion about his offer?
>>>
>>I like the idea.  I can't think of a more likely time for people to
>>be interested in buying a distribution on the spur of the moment.
>>The larger the installfest, the more likely this idea could really
>>take off and potentially pay off as a fund raiser for our projector.
>>
>>But we're planning to be in a small space for this event, and there's
>>been some talk about not promoting this installfest outside of our
>>LUG.  I'm planning to bring some free distros, an old box set of SuSE
>>7.3, a CD-R set of Mandrake 8.2, hopefully another DVD-R of SuSE 8.0
>>and with any luck a copy or two of the lastest KRUD.  I suspect I'm
>>not the only one who will do so.  My point is that I believe Crawford
>>will see limited interest in the discounted copies because of the low
>>number of people involved and the fact that there will be an assortment
>>of free copies available.
>>
>>If he's willing to do it anyway, that's great.  We could refrain
>>from bringing in free Linux distributions and encourage attendees to
>>purchase distro's from Crawford instead.  Do we want to do this?
>>
>>Thinking about fundraising, we should set up the donation can in an
>>obvious location and encourage installfest attendees to contribute
>>if they're so inclined.
>>
>>Lynn
>>
>>
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>>Message: 4
>>From: "Crawford Rainwater" <crawford.rainwater at itec-co.com>
>>To: <clue-admin at clue.denver.co.us>
>>Subject: RE: [CLUE-Admin] Fwd: On the Installfest
>>Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 11:19:02 -0600
>>charset="US-ASCII"
>>Reply-To: clue-admin at clue.denver.co.us
>>
>>On the donation idea, perhaps a "donation tax"
>>for the projector as an option?  Figure $0.25 to
>>$0.50 per CD as a thought.  I am open to adding
>>that as well to the base cost price for the CDs,
>>and ITEC can again handle the sales tax issue
>>(tax the CDs, not the donations for reference).
>>
>>--- Crawford
>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: clue-admin-admin at clue.denver.co.us
>>>[mailto:clue-admin-admin at clue.denver.co.us]On Behalf Of Lynn Danielson
>>>Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 5:11 AM
>>>To: clue-admin at clue.denver.co.us
>>>Subject: Re: [CLUE-Admin] Fwd: On the Installfest
>>>
>>>
>>>Jeffery Cann wrote:
>>>
>>>>Crawford offered to sell discounted copies of new distros at the next 
>>>>installfest.  I told him that I would pose it to the admins.  
>>>>
>>>Does anyone 
>>>
>>>>have an opinion about his offer?
>>>>
>>>I like the idea.  I can't think of a more likely time for people to
>>>be interested in buying a distribution on the spur of the moment.
>>>The larger the installfest, the more likely this idea could really
>>>take off and potentially pay off as a fund raiser for our projector.
>>>
>>>But we're planning to be in a small space for this event, and there's
>>>been some talk about not promoting this installfest outside of our
>>>LUG.  I'm planning to bring some free distros, an old box set of SuSE
>>>7.3, a CD-R set of Mandrake 8.2, hopefully another DVD-R of SuSE 8.0
>>>and with any luck a copy or two of the lastest KRUD.  I suspect I'm
>>>not the only one who will do so.  My point is that I believe Crawford
>>>will see limited interest in the discounted copies because of the low
>>>number of people involved and the fact that there will be an assortment
>>>of free copies available.
>>>
>>>If he's willing to do it anyway, that's great.  We could refrain
>>>from bringing in free Linux distributions and encourage attendees to
>>>purchase distro's from Crawford instead.  Do we want to do this?
>>>
>>>Thinking about fundraising, we should set up the donation can in an
>>>obvious location and encourage installfest attendees to contribute
>>>if they're so inclined.
>>>
>>>Lynn
>>>
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>>Message: 5
>>Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 11:45:06 -0600
>>To: clue-admin at clue.denver.co.us
>>Subject: Re: [CLUE-Admin] CLUE ADMIN Installfest June 15
>>From: Dave Price <davep at kinaole.org>
>>Reply-To: clue-admin at clue.denver.co.us
>>
>>On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 06:54:01PM +0000, tipsrules99 at attbi.com wrote:
>>
>>>CLUE ADMIN:
>>>
>><snip> 
>>If we need to limit the installfest to CLUE
>>
>>>then we can discuss it at tonight's meeting.
>>>
>>I really think that we should try to open installfest to 'all interested
>>parties' in the name of linux advocacy.  This is a great opportunity
>>for the curious to see linux in action, and the people who use it.
>>
>>Also,  have we gotten any further on the issues we discussed a while
>>back?
>>
>>* Waiver or release for all systems, combined with a written statement
>>of obectives for the install (distro, dual boot, X / Desktop, ethenet,
>>modem, etc.).
>>
>>* A what is linux and why we love it presentation, and perhaps
>>additional discussion before the install and perhaps at lunch time?
>>
>>aloha,
>>dave
>>
>>
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>Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 16:57:58 +0000
>From: Lynn Danielson <lynnd at techangle.com>
>Organization: Colorado Linux Users & Enthusiast
>To: clue-admin at clue.denver.co.us
>Subject: Re: [CLUE-Admin] CLUE ADMIN Installfest June 15
>Reply-To: clue-admin at clue.denver.co.us
>
>Dave Price wrote:
>
>>On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 06:54:01PM +0000, tipsrules99 at attbi.com wrote:
>>
>>>CLUE ADMIN:
>>>
>><snip> 
>>If we need to limit the installfest to CLUE
>>
>>>then we can discuss it at tonight's meeting.
>>>
>>I really think that we should try to open installfest to 'all interested
>>parties' in the name of linux advocacy.  This is a great opportunity
>>for the curious to see linux in action, and the people who use it.
>>
>
> From what Mike just posted, "The room can hold 30-35 with no problem" --
>I agree.  That number of people is about what we've seen show up to our 
>Batky-Howell installfests, but it's still not what I'd call a large event.
>I think the question is less about limiting the installfest to CLUE and
>more about how much we advertise the event and try to get new people to
>show up.  By simply announcing it to our group and making an attempt to
>get the word out to other local LUGs, we'll probably get our normal
>installfest turnout.
>
>>Also,  have we gotten any further on the issues we discussed a while
>>back?
>>
>>* Waiver or release for all systems, combined with a written statement
>>of obectives for the install (distro, dual boot, X / Desktop, ethenet,
>>modem, etc.).
>>
>
>Not to my knowlege.  The North Texas LUG used to have stuff along these
>lines on their website.  I think Jeff said he'd seen this sort of thing
>on-line as well, but I don't think he mentioned where.  I'd recommend
>we look for something we can plagerize and easily modify for our use.
>Feel free to look for some of this stuff and post it (or links to it)
>back here for comments.
>
>We might be able to get Matt Porter to look at a waiver before we
>finalize our version.  I have a friend who's a lawyer, but contract
>law's not his strong suit.  Maybe Jeff's wife, Emily, would be
>willing to look at it?  The last time we looked into this sort of
>thing, the problem was that the waivers we found were written to
>the protect the group.  Since we've never registered CLUE with the
>state as an organization, it's not a legal entity for use in a
>contract.  So, the waiver would have to be written to protect us
>as individuals from suit by the attendees.  We had a lawyer in our
>group at that time (his name was Brock) who clue'd us in on this
>problem.  Unless we can find a bonefide, lawyer approved, fill in
>the blank form on the web.  We'll want to get some legal advice on
>the matter.
>
>>* A what is linux and why we love it presentation, and perhaps
>>additional discussion before the install and perhaps at lunch time?
>>
>
>This would be a great idea for a larger event with more newbies.  I
>believe most of the installfest attendee's are going to be people who
>have been using Linux for a while and are either having trouble working
>through a configuration issue or wanting to try something new.
>
>Not to discourage you or anyone else from doing this sort of thing,
>but I'd be suprised if your interested audience numbers more than two
>or three.  I think demonstrating various applications, especially what
>might be considered "killer apps", would garner more interest from the
>whole group.
>
>Perhaps I'm misunderstanding what your suggesting, but it seems to me,
>we always have trouble successfully wrapping everything in the time
>allotted.  I think the people who show up are going to be more
>interested in your expertise solving their problem than hearing you
>talk about why you love Linux.  So, my inclination is to focus on the
>problems that walk in the door and to plan on organizing a bigger
>installfest in a larger venue later in the year.  We could possibly get
>some sponsorship to pay for hotel conference room if we asked.  Whether
>or not we can successfully pull off a larger event depends on how much
>time Mike is willing to put into organizing it and how much the rest of
>us are willing to support him in that endeavor.  Does anyone else want
>to try to plan something like this in the fall (September maybe)?
>
>Lynn
>
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>Message: 3
>From: "Crawford Rainwater" <crawford.rainwater at itec-co.com>
>To: <clue-admin at clue.denver.co.us>
>Subject: RE: [CLUE-Admin] CLUE ADMIN Installfest June 15
>Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 17:09:06 -0600
>charset="US-ASCII"
>Reply-To: clue-admin at clue.denver.co.us
>
>On the installation prep lectures, why not just point
>them to the LDP's How-To's, since I think there are a
>few on those topics?  Simple and lawyer free solution.
>
>--- Crawford
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: clue-admin-admin at clue.denver.co.us
>>[mailto:clue-admin-admin at clue.denver.co.us]On Behalf Of Lynn Danielson
>>Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 10:58 AM
>>To: clue-admin at clue.denver.co.us
>>Subject: Re: [CLUE-Admin] CLUE ADMIN Installfest June 15
>>
>>
>>Dave Price wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 06:54:01PM +0000, tipsrules99 at attbi.com wrote:
>>>
>>>>CLUE ADMIN:
>>>>
>>><snip>
>>>If we need to limit the installfest to CLUE
>>>
>>>>then we can discuss it at tonight's meeting.
>>>>
>>>I really think that we should try to open installfest to 'all interested
>>>parties' in the name of linux advocacy.  This is a great opportunity
>>>for the curious to see linux in action, and the people who use it.
>>>
>> From what Mike just posted, "The room can hold 30-35 with no problem" --
>>I agree.  That number of people is about what we've seen show up to our
>>Batky-Howell installfests, but it's still not what I'd call a large event.
>>I think the question is less about limiting the installfest to CLUE and
>>more about how much we advertise the event and try to get new people to
>>show up.  By simply announcing it to our group and making an attempt to
>>get the word out to other local LUGs, we'll probably get our normal
>>installfest turnout.
>>
>>>Also,  have we gotten any further on the issues we discussed a while
>>>back?
>>>
>>>* Waiver or release for all systems, combined with a written statement
>>>of obectives for the install (distro, dual boot, X / Desktop, ethenet,
>>>modem, etc.).
>>>
>>Not to my knowlege.  The North Texas LUG used to have stuff along these
>>lines on their website.  I think Jeff said he'd seen this sort of thing
>>on-line as well, but I don't think he mentioned where.  I'd recommend
>>we look for something we can plagerize and easily modify for our use.
>>Feel free to look for some of this stuff and post it (or links to it)
>>back here for comments.
>>
>>We might be able to get Matt Porter to look at a waiver before we
>>finalize our version.  I have a friend who's a lawyer, but contract
>>law's not his strong suit.  Maybe Jeff's wife, Emily, would be
>>willing to look at it?  The last time we looked into this sort of
>>thing, the problem was that the waivers we found were written to
>>the protect the group.  Since we've never registered CLUE with the
>>state as an organization, it's not a legal entity for use in a
>>contract.  So, the waiver would have to be written to protect us
>>as individuals from suit by the attendees.  We had a lawyer in our
>>group at that time (his name was Brock) who clue'd us in on this
>>problem.  Unless we can find a bonefide, lawyer approved, fill in
>>the blank form on the web.  We'll want to get some legal advice on
>>the matter.
>>
>>>* A what is linux and why we love it presentation, and perhaps
>>>additional discussion before the install and perhaps at lunch time?
>>>
>>This would be a great idea for a larger event with more newbies.  I
>>believe most of the installfest attendee's are going to be people who
>>have been using Linux for a while and are either having trouble working
>>through a configuration issue or wanting to try something new.
>>
>>Not to discourage you or anyone else from doing this sort of thing,
>>but I'd be suprised if your interested audience numbers more than two
>>or three.  I think demonstrating various applications, especially what
>>might be considered "killer apps", would garner more interest from the
>>whole group.
>>
>>Perhaps I'm misunderstanding what your suggesting, but it seems to me,
>>we always have trouble successfully wrapping everything in the time
>>allotted.  I think the people who show up are going to be more
>>interested in your expertise solving their problem than hearing you
>>talk about why you love Linux.  So, my inclination is to focus on the
>>problems that walk in the door and to plan on organizing a bigger
>>installfest in a larger venue later in the year.  We could possibly get
>>some sponsorship to pay for hotel conference room if we asked.  Whether
>>or not we can successfully pull off a larger event depends on how much
>>time Mike is willing to put into organizing it and how much the rest of
>>us are willing to support him in that endeavor.  Does anyone else want
>>to try to plan something like this in the fall (September maybe)?
>>
>>Lynn
>>
>>_______________________________________________
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>Message: 4
>charset="iso-8859-1"
>From: Jeffery Cann <fabian at jefferycann.com>
>Organization: Planet Earth (tm)
>To: clue-admin at clue.denver.co.us
>Subject: Re: [CLUE-Admin] CLUE ADMIN Installfest June 15
>Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 18:33:02 -0600
>Reply-To: clue-admin at clue.denver.co.us
>
>On Friday 17 May 2002 11:45 am, Dave Price wrote:
>
>>* Waiver or release for all systems, combined with a written statement
>>of obectives for the install (distro, dual boot, X / Desktop, ethenet,
>>modem, etc.).
>>
>
>This is on Mike's To Do list.  Mike - any progress?
>
>>* A what is linux and why we love it presentation, and perhaps
>>additional discussion before the install and perhaps at lunch time?
>>
>
>I don't think we had any volunteers.  Volunteers?
>
>Jeff
>
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>Message: 5
>Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 19:29:46 +0000
>From: Lynn Danielson <lynnd at techangle.com>
>Organization: Colorado Linux Users & Enthusiast
>To: clue-admin at clue.denver.co.us
>Subject: Re: [CLUE-Admin] CLUE ADMIN Installfest June 15
>Reply-To: clue-admin at clue.denver.co.us
>
>Crawford Rainwater wrote:
>
>>On the installation prep lectures, why not just point
>>them to the LDP's How-To's, since I think there are a
>>few on those topics?  Simple and lawyer free solution.
>>
>
>The waiver that Dave mentioned has to do with "what if
>the person you help at an installfest loses valuable
>data or their machine is damaged as a result of a ill
>fated installation attempt."  The first installfest I
>was involved with, the hard disk of the fellow I was
>assisting went down in flames.  The drive was reasonably
>new and the guy was disgusted with it.  Most importantly,
>as far as I'm concerned, he didn't blame me.  But what
>if he had?
>
>We've been kicking the idea of a waiver around for years.
>Something that would absolve CLUE members from any
>liability on the off chance that something goes horribly
>wrong during an install.  Did we warn the person that
>resizing their Windows partition could result in a
>complete loss of their data?  Did we explain that when
>we pull a card out of their motherboard to identify its
>chipset that the mainboard might flex enough to break,
>especially if it's old?  Did we tell them about the
>dangers of static electricity and gamma radiation and
>any other reason that their machine might not come back
>to life the next time they push the power switch?  Even
>if we did and they nodded their head in acknowledgement
>and assured us that whatever we wanted to do was fine,
>is their anything, other than human decency, preventing
>them from turning on us and suing if something does go
>wrong?  I don't think so.
>
>This is definitely a pessimistic worst case senario.
>As far as I know, no one has ever been sued becuase of
>assistance given at an installfest.  That's why we
>haven't worried too much about waivers.  But it doesn't
>mean having one is a bad idea.
>
>Just as another example.  I like to judge at homebrew
>competitions.  It's standard practice for us to sign a
>waiver that we will not hold organizers or the owner of
>the building responsible if we get in trouble with
>alcohol in our blood stream.  We're all there for the
>love of beer, mead, and wine.  We drink responsibly.
>Nothing bad's ever happened that I know of following
>any of these events.  But in this letigious society,
>that waiver gives peace of mind to those who could
>potentially be held responsible for a problem.  Do we
>want to offer anyone willing to volunteer at our
>installfests the same peace of mind?  If so, we should
>have a boiler plate waiver and make sure that it's
>worth the paper it's printed on.
>
>Another thought from the more cynical and delusionally
>paranoid corners of my mind.  Is Microsoft capable of
>sponsoring a conspiracy directly attacking the Linux
>community by sending quislings to installfest with the
>sole hope of being able to sue its participants?  Not
>likely, but a simple peice of paper with a few words
>and a signature on it could help pacify such neurosis. ;-)
>
>In the past we put this issue off, because we were
>debating the merits of registering CLUE as a nonprofit.
>We've since decided that it's not currently worthwile
>for us to pursue that.  This should make it easier for
>us now to determine the necessary wording an installfest
>waiver should contain.
>
>
>Lynn
>
>
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>
>Message: 6
>Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 19:53:30 +0000
>From: Lynn Danielson <lynnd at techangle.com>
>Organization: Colorado Linux Users & Enthusiast
>To: clue-admin at clue.denver.co.us
>Subject: [CLUE-Admin] Waiver info
>Reply-To: clue-admin at clue.denver.co.us
>
>Mike,
>
>Here are several links from googling on installfest waivers:
>
>http://www.vlug.org/ifht/5.html
>http://www.vlug.org/ifht/waiver.html
>http://www.acm.uiuc.edu/sigunix/installfest/waiver.shtml
>http://installfest.rvglug.org/waiver
>http://www.satlug.org/events/installfest-waiver.html
>http://www.talug.org/installfest/Installfest_Waiver.html
>http://installfest.teknoids.net/register.php3
>http://aafugit.cc.iastate.edu/installfest/waiver.html
>http://rezcon.sdsu.edu/WebPages/waiver.htm
>http://archive.davin.ottawa.on.ca/linux-oclug-board/2002-01/msg00249.phtml
>
>There's obviously more stuff out there now then there was when
>we talked about this a few years ago.  BLUG apparently had a
>waiver form that attendees signed at their last installfest.
>I've sent an email to Chris Riddoch asking him for a copy.
>
>Fwiw,
>
>Lynn
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 7
>Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 11:14:23 -0600
>From: Kevin Cullis <kevincu at orci.com>
>To: CLUE Admin <clue-admin at clue.denver.co.us>
>Subject: [CLUE-Admin] Distro CDs and Open Office CDs?
>Reply-To: clue-admin at clue.denver.co.us
>
>Hey,
>
>Can we put together an "office" CD for "business users?"  Or, just put
>Open Office (KOffice, Abiword, Gnumeric, etc.) and it's differing
>platform versions so that we can spread the word about Open Source
>software?
>
>Just a thought.
>
>KC
>
>
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>
>_______________________________________________
>
Gentleman:

Point 1) Selling distros:  Lets Sell them the meeting before the 
Installfest to guarantee a sale and turn out. Selling during the 
Installfest maybe a distraction.

Point 2) Large Installfest for September.  If we can coordinate with 
other LUGs, this could work.... I am all for it. ;-)

Point 3) Installfest Waiver: The one I found orginially has now 
disapeared. I can not find it.  Still a work in progress.  I have only 
one printout of it but, I am working on Lynn links.... thanks....

Point 4)  Volunteers...  We will need some as usual.

Point 5)  David Anselmi.  said he may be up to help teach newbie's to 
install so, I will talk to him this week.  He will need help....

Point 6)  Drinks I and the club will provide.

Lets have fun

Mike Benavides