[clue-admin] ZNZ relegated to the dustbin of trashed ideas

[YES NOPE9]

On Dec 24, 2010, at 5:56 PM, David L. Anselmi wrote:

> YES NOPE9 wrote:
>> It has been made clear that Crawford and Jed are the CZARs of hosting and
>> that they have decided to extend VPS hosting for 6 months.
>> No vote.
>> No indication of who was consulted.
> 
> The people who have been running the server have put together a plan to keep running it.  It seems 
> obvious to me that their plan *will* close.
> 
> Feeling put out won't accomplish anything.

You guessed wrong about my feelings.  I am articulating how CLUE politics works.  I have heard speeches from David Anaselmi , Jeff Haemer , Crawford , Jed and others about how to contribute to CLUE. The reality is not precisely as they portray it.  
> 
> Put together an alternate plan, that will close by about 3 Jan, and we'll have something to consider.
> 
> An alternative should provide the appropriate web pages, mail lists, and mail archive.  It should be 
> validated as usable by those running the group.  I haven't seen a plan for that, much less a plan 
> that will close.

I can't tell if you are suggesting that all hosting be monolithic or whether it can be separated into webpages and email.
> 
Is there an "official" list of who is running the group ?  I can only guess who is "running" the group.

> If you can't be done by 3 Jan, you have six months to try again, hopefully with the help of others 
> in the group.
> 
> You're welcome to show me what you have so that I can understand how ideal a solution it is.  But 
> that won't be possible before about the 1st.
> 
> I'm sorry if that seems like setting the bar too high.  I'm not spending time doing server work, 
> beyond sending a check, in the next 2 weeks.  So I'm not moving things or checking alternatives.
> 
>> The vote on tags will most probably become an exercise in futility.
> 
> I don't plan to use tags.  So you can blame me when it fails.  Manual effort by everyone to support 
> mail classification seems silly.  If we want classification we should make it automatic.
Automatic tagging is a possibility. ( for participating afficiandos )  Woo Hoo
I don't care much for using tags either..... because I read everything.   But some people care.
> 
>> What Crawford and Jed want, they will get.
> 
> In the 3 meetings we had recently I tried to steer away from a discussion about *how* things should 
> be done and to focus on *what* had to be done.  The people doing things will decide how, and trying 
> to tell them how is likely to limit who is willing to try.
> 
> Unseating an incumbent though takes more than doing something new.  A new hosting solution probably 
> has to be shown to be better, somehow, than what we have.  But a new poster is better than what we have.
> 
>> That's okay with me   .... I am more clear on what is a waste of time to
>> pretend to discuss or what is really not thrown open to innovation.
> 
> I think you're wrong.
How can the statement above be wrong ?  It is my experience of events.
> 
>> I will continue with my CLUE poster development and see what I can learn
>> about running installfests ( by observing David Anselmi ).  I will help
>> with Drupal if invited by the Drupal CZAR.
> 
> Thanks.  I appreciate what you've done.
> 
> Dave
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