[clue-admin] clue-admin Digest, Vol 56, Issue 6

Lorin Ricker Lorin at RickerNet.us
Tue Feb 14 13:46:42 MST 2012 

I'd like to cast my vote for Drupal along with Dan's.  While I'm no 
expert, I've seen several substantial "community-oriented" (like ours) 
sites based on Drupal, and it provides a whole repertory of capabilities 
out-of-the-box, so avoiding roll-our-own and not-invented-here.

Things like community/event calendars, forums (with attendant 
flame-wars! ;-) oops... content and manners not included!) -- well, 
thousands of modules, nearly 1500 themes, open source, FOSS community of 
supporter/developers, Linux-friendly... and millions of modern, 
hi-availability and hi-use websites are already based on it.

Don't mean to sound like an ad/home-page for it, but Drupal is likely 
the best fit for where we *ought* to take our CLUE online resources.

I'm no expert, but having seen enough "under the covers" and "how-to's" 
with Drupal, I've absolutely no doubt that:

   a) I (as an example) and nearly anyone within our CLUE community, 
could contribute constructively and productively (good intentions 
assumed) to aspects of the design (decisions) and development of a new 
CLUE website(s) using it; and

   b) I, and again nearly anyone in CLUE, would have absolutely no 
trouble managing a Drupal-based website over the long haul for the 
group, again presuming best intentions and responsibly shared resources 
and accesses (admin passwords, etc.).

Decision to adopt/use Drupal as a going-forward technology base would 
*not* place undue reliance on any single community member (we'd not need 
to worry about Dan's meeting his bus!), but would be a great opportunity 
for those who want to learn and contribute to a new set of resources and 
capabilities to do so -- as a community!

A likely sane approach would be to begin design and implementation of 
the v0.X new site *without taking down the old site* -- a parallel 
development with a long-term goal of phase out of the old.

+1 for Drupal.  Just my 2¢ worth.

respectfully,
   -- Lorin

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>     1. Re: [Website] Any information I need to bring to the meeting
>        Tuesday? (Dan Kulinski)
>     2. Re: [Website] Any information I need to bring to the	meeting
>        Tuesday? (Dennis J Perkins)
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> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 13:33:25 -0700
> From: Dan Kulinski<daniel at kulinski.net>
> Subject: Re: [clue-admin] [Website] Any information I need to bring to
> 	the meeting Tuesday?
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> I had to sit down and think on this one a while.  Drupal is not a
> necessity.  My thinking was that since work was put into it previously, why
> not continue that and shortcut starting over.  Drupal does have a large
> community and plenty of modules to make it do many different tasks.
>
> What I would really like to see is a facelift for the CLUE website.  Making
> it more dynamic and having the ability to support contributors means that
> you can have some rich content that may not be feasible on the email list.
> For instance, while I can pass around a youtube video, that information can
> become lost in the archives.  Having a section on the website to drop it
> into means that it is more organized and easily accessible.  I think this
> would give it more of a community feel and allow people to contribute even
> if they don't attend meetings.
>
> As for the continuation of the site in case of disaster (VPS blows up, I
> get run over a bus/train/airplane, I go mad, become a hermit and revoke all
> rights, etc), my plans were to have an automated backup pushed somewhere
> off server.  This would include the drupal site itself and the DB dump.
>
> As for situations where I am unavailable, the following would need to
> happen.  I would open a secondary portal account for my VPS that some
> one/group in clue held the info to.  They would be able to file a ticket
> against the VPS in the case that it was down or somehow broken.  The staff
> at ServInt is very knowledgeable and would be able to get things running in
> short order.
>
> I would keep Drupal up to date and the rest of the RPMs on the server are
> handled by ServIint itself.  These should take care of security issues.
>
> Finally, access would be limited to one account.  I have setup fast-cgi for
> the server so all permissions are contained to this account.  My normal
> account would have 0 access to the directory and I would have to access it
> as root.
>
> I don't feel like I have been abandoned, however I do feel like this is a
> hard subject to navigate.  Creating a site is a process and it will take a
> few people to drive it to completion.
>
> Gus pushes for this very militantly and I don't agree with that at all.  I
> don't share the same views of a leaderless group.  Once you push this over
> a few people I think structure can be important.
>
> If I can't help out here I am sure I can find other ways to contribute and
> hopefully see this community grow rather than shrink for the bickering on
> the public list.
>
> Dan Kulinski
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 12:11 AM, David L. Anselmi<anselmi at anselmi.us>wrote:
>
>> Dan Kulinski wrote:
>>> I will be attending the meeting on Tuesday.  Is there anything you guys
>>> would like to see from me, my provider or anything else?
>>
>> Well, it may be that by asking those interested in managing the group to
>> take it outside I've
>> managed to scare off your volunteers.  Other than Dennis I don't see
>> anyone who's worked on Drupal
>> on this list.  But I'm sure that can be fixed if necessary.
>>
>> I'm not imaginative enough to understand the interest in Drupal.  We have
>> a list, we have a web
>> site.  That's enough to have a group, though we could use something more
>> to make the group more
>> live.  Drupal doesn't seem to me like the thing we need but I'm happy if
>> others want to work on it.
>>   (I'll say more later about what I *am* interested in.)
>>
>> So if we were to sit down together here are the kind of things I would ask:
>>
>> What does your infrastructure look like and how does a piece of it get
>> carved out for CLUE use?
>>
>> What kinds of limitations are there?  What kinds of things would make it
>> awkward for you to continue
>> providing to CLUE?
>>
>> How do we keep our services available in case of the demise of you, your
>> provider, Ford owners, or
>> Twinkie haters?
>>
>> What kinds of administration will be required and who do we expect to do
>> those things?
>>
>> Some of those may be premature.  Some are just my curiosity.  In the end
>> I'm much more interested in
>> availability and continuity than new features.  I could tell you a long
>> story of CLUE's history with
>> hosting, and a short one about our current state.  Most of the group
>> doesn't know any of that but
>> maybe it's an obsolete perspective that doesn't matter anymore.
>>
>> Hopefully you don't feel like you've been completely abandoned.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Dave
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> From: Dennis J Perkins<dennisjperkins at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [clue-admin] [Website] Any information I need to bring to
> 	the	meeting Tuesday?
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> This sounds reasonable.  Bring your ideas to the meeting.
>
> On Monday, February 13, 2012 01:33:25 PM Dan Kulinski wrote:
>
> I had to sit down and think on this one a while.  Drupal is not a necessity.
> My thinking was that since work was put into it previously, why not continue
> that and shortcut starting over.  Drupal does have a large community and
> plenty of modules to make it do many different tasks.
>
> What I would really like to see is a facelift for the CLUE website.  Making it
> more dynamic and having the ability to support contributors means that you can
> have some rich content that may not be feasible on the email list.  For
> instance, while I can pass around a youtube video, that information can become
> lost in the archives.  Having a section on the website to drop it into means
> that it is more organized and easily accessible.  I think this would give it
> more of a community feel and allow people to contribute even if they don't
> attend meetings.
>
> As for the continuation of the site in case of disaster (VPS blows up, I get
> run over a bus/train/airplane, I go mad, become a hermit and revoke all
> rights, etc), my plans were to have an automated backup pushed somewhere off
> server.  This would include the drupal site itself and the DB dump.
>
> As for situations where I am unavailable, the following would need to happen.
> I would open a secondary portal account for my VPS that some one/group in clue
> held the info to.  They would be able to file a ticket against the VPS in the
> case that it was down or somehow broken.  The staff at ServInt is very
> knowledgeable and would be able to get things running in short order.
>
> I would keep Drupal up to date and the rest of the RPMs on the server are
> handled by ServIint itself.  These should take care of security issues.
>
> Finally, access would be limited to one account.  I have setup fast-cgi for
> the server so all permissions are contained to this account.  My normal
> account would have 0 access to the directory and I would have to access it as
> root.
>
> I don't feel like I have been abandoned, however I do feel like this is a hard
> subject to navigate.  Creating a site is a process and it will take a few
> people to drive it to completion.
>
> Gus pushes for this very militantly and I don't agree with that at all.  I
> don't share the same views of a leaderless group.  Once you push this over a
> few people I think structure can be important.
>
> If I can't help out here I am sure I can find other ways to contribute and
> hopefully see this community grow rather than shrink for the bickering on the
> public list.
>
> Dan Kulinski
>
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 12:11 AM, David L. Anselmi<anselmi at anselmi.us>  wrote:
>
> Dan Kulinski wrote:
>> I will be attending the meeting on Tuesday.  Is there anything you guys
>> would like to see from me, my provider or anything else?
>
>
> Well, it may be that by asking those interested in managing the group to take
> it outside I've
> managed to scare off your volunteers.  Other than Dennis I don't see anyone
> who's worked on Drupal
> on this list.  But I'm sure that can be fixed if necessary.
>
> I'm not imaginative enough to understand the interest in Drupal.  We have a
> list, we have a web
> site.  That's enough to have a group, though we could use something more to
> make the group more
> live.  Drupal doesn't seem to me like the thing we need but I'm happy if
> others want to work on it.
>   (I'll say more later about what I *am* interested in.)
>
> So if we were to sit down together here are the kind of things I would ask:
>
> What does your infrastructure look like and how does a piece of it get carved
> out for CLUE use?
>
> What kinds of limitations are there?  What kinds of things would make it
> awkward for you to continue
> providing to CLUE?
>
> How do we keep our services available in case of the demise of you, your
> provider, Ford owners, or
> Twinkie haters?
>
> What kinds of administration will be required and who do we expect to do those
> things?
>
> Some of those may be premature.  Some are just my curiosity.  In the end I'm
> much more interested in
> availability and continuity than new features.  I could tell you a long story
> of CLUE's history with
> hosting, and a short one about our current state.  Most of the group doesn't
> know any of that but
> maybe it's an obsolete perspective that doesn't matter anymore.
>
> Hopefully you don't feel like you've been completely abandoned.
>
> Thanks!
> Dave
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