[clue-talk] Obama, McCain, and the American flag

[Nate Duehr]

On Nov 2, 2008, at 3:25 AM, Brian Gibson wrote:

>> I for one have no tolerance for people who bomb other people in  
>> their own country.  That's Mr. Ayers.
>
> Yeah, damn those American Revolutionaries.


That was the cessation of an entire continent from their oppressive  
government, is that what you're saying Mr. Ayers was attempting to  
accomplish in the 60's and 70's here?  Give me a break.

Mr. Ayers bombed American citizens, and is unrepentant of that action  
to this day.


>> Voting in this country is a right this gun-totin' right of center
> suburbanite would pick up a gun and
>> fight for, even if I knew everyone
> I was fighting for would vote for a Liberal.
>
> Funny how violence can be justified as long as you're on the "right"  
> side of the issue.


This is the standard hypothetical that assumes that someone tyrannical  
is taking away our right to freedom of speech.  Are you saying losing  
that particular freedom would be not worth having violence over?

Doesn't matter, there aren't any tyrants here doing that, that I've  
seen.  You just wanted to use my Patriotism as a way to say I'm  
somehow violent, to make me look like I contradicted myself -- which  
is silly and untrue.  I am not shooting anyone, but Mr. Ayers has  
admittedly killed people.  Hello?


> Not that I condone his past actions, but the fact that he's reformed  
> and become a productive member of society doesn't mean anything now  
> does it?


Reformed?  In a 2005 interview he said, "I wish I had bombed more."   
Sounds quite reformed.  Such a shining example of humanity, I can just  
barely


> If you commit a crime, somehow there is no redemption or  
> forgiveness, even after you pay your debt to society?   
> (Unfortunately Ayers got off on a technicality.)  Suddenly now you  
> are suspect (perhaps even guilty) for the associations you have?   
> Give me a break.  Tell me I'm wrong, but I recall a little  
> ammendment giving people the right to peaceably assemble.  Besides  
> McCain has his fair share of questionable associations, as I'm sure  
> a lot of other people do as well.  It's just that its currently hip  
> to hate on the scary terrorist man.  Guess we're all seeing brown  
> where we once saw red.


I'm talking about the real man Ayers is, not some boogie-man "brown  
guy".  Ayers is a white terrorist, who applauded the assassination of  
a Robert Kennedy in his own writing and words by saluting Sirhan  
Sirhan, and Obama has a long-term relationship with him.

You try to make my innocent statement that I'd defend your right to  
free speech with a firearm as something evil, while you claim a man  
who bombed people in this country and really killed them, is worthy of  
"redemption or foregiveness"?   I'm sure the parents of the people he  
killed haven't forgiven his sick and twisted act.

Obama also gave a personal book endorsement of writings by Ayers.    
Amazing.  Really amazing.

You're not going to get any apologies out of me for despising Ayers  
and questioning why Obama would even associate with him in any way.

Think Ayer's writings are bad?  Read Obama's wife's Master's thesis.

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Nate Duehr
nate at natetech.com