[clue-talk] The stimulus bill

[David Rudder]

To be fair to Rush, Jeremy's right. 
"I'm not talking about search-and-destroy, but I've been listening to 
Barack Obama for a year-and-a-half.  I know what his politics are.  I 
know what his plans are, as he has stated them.  I don't want them to 
succeed."
....
"Why is it any different, what's new, what is unfair about my saying I 
hope liberalism fails?  Liberalism is our problem.  Liberalism is what's 
gotten us dangerously close to the precipice here.  Why do I want more 
of it?  I don't care what the Drive-By story is.  I would be honored if 
the Drive-By Media headlined me all day long: "Limbaugh: I Hope Obama 
Fails."  Somebody's gotta say it.  "


Rush never meant to say that he hopes the country fails.  He honestly 
believes that the 8 years of GWBush worked great, that the 8 years of 
Clinton were a horrible failure, and that the Obama administration will 
destroy the country.  He wants Obama's "plan to destroy America" to 
fail.  In my eyes, that makes him batshit insane, but at least he's not 
calling for the destruction of America.



That being said, I don't understand Jeremy's and the majority of people 
on this list's problem with Obama.  Throwing around the phrase 
"socialism" doesn't explain anything, other than you listen to Rush too 
much.  "Redistribution of wealth" is another one of those empty 
phrases.  Bush's administration moved wealth from the poor to the 
rich...how is that not redistribution?   When President Bush signed the 
TARP legislation, how come that wasn't "government-controlled 
corporations", but Obama's package which pays small businesses to fix 
bridges is?  In Bush's legislation, the government actually took a 
controlling interest in corporations. 


I'd like to challenge this board to come up with a single US president 
from the last century that embodies conservative principles.  Bush 43?  
Raised the debt, raised spending, took control of corporations, 
redistributed wealth.  Bush 41?  Raised taxes.  Reagan?  Increased both 
government spending and the number of government employees.  In fact, 
Reagan was so bad that the only reason we saw employment increase was 
due to the massive increase in government employees.  Ford?  Well, to 
tell you the truth, I don't know crap about what Ford did.  Nixon?  The 
guy was practically a hippy.  Raised taxes, controlled prices, made nice 
with Communist governments.  How far back to we need to look to find a 
true conservative?

So, who is this mythical "conservative President"?  Or, are y'all just 
going to keep hoping that every person the US elects will fail because 
he doesn't meet your purity test?


Compare to Clinton.  Raised the number of millionaires.  Lowered the 
number of government employees.  Balanced the budget.  Reformed 
welfare.  Removed the last vestiges of the fairness doctrine.  Removed 
government regulation of the energy, telecommunications, media and 
banking industries.  Reduced the number of abortions.  Crime dropped 
dramatically during his administration.  Seems to me this guy should be 
the Republican's poster-boy.  Heck, he even bombed China.

-Dave

Jeremy Slade wrote:
>> Remember that Rush wants Obama to fail, and has publicly said so.  He
>> doesn't care if the country suffers if Obama does fail.  It just
>> provides fodder for his show.
>>     
>
>
> I want President Obama and the Congress to fail in any and all efforts
> that lead to further socialism (forceful redistribution of wealth) and
> fascism (government-controlled corporations).
>
> I want conservatism to succeed: fiscal and moral responsibility,
> strengthening of the traditional family, and real capitalism.  If you
> take the time to listen to Rush's comments in full, I'm pretty sure
> that's what you'll hear him say.
>
>
> Jeremy
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