[clue-talk] On "sales people" (was Re: Sales presentations at meetings)

[Mike Bean]

I wouldn't worry, thus far I've been privy to both sides of the discussion.
 I haven't had much contact with the SE's, but I haven't heard many people
flinch at sticking to mostly technical details.  You know, WORST case
scenario, If I can get enough lead time to prepare, and there's enough
interest, I'LL do a talk on ESX/ESXi.  I'll even bring in my ESXi box.  (I
promise you, I'm a TERRIBLE politician.)     The downsides are obvious.  1)
I believe in the "speak to your audience" philosophy, and I don't really
know what CLUE wants to know about ESX/ESXi.   2) VMware has allot more
products then most people think we do, and I have relatively sharply limited
experience in many of the others.   Workstation/View/VDR/Converter/Virtual
Center...etc....etc...

I'm not much of a good corporate stooge, but I think the problems that
remain are mostly logistical ones.

Mike Bean

On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 1:31 PM, Shawn Perry <redmop924 at comcast.net> wrote:

> First, it can be an oxy moron.
>
> Second, we are not the masses, though many of us dream to be.
>
> Personally, I don't really want something overly technical, though I
> do want a good amount of technical meat there.  I also want something
> that's not overly salesy (is that a word?), but I don't mind being
> sold to if sold to properly, in a language I speak.  Some sales
> engineers do that, some do not.
>
> Shawn
>
> On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 8:10 AM, Ken Westervelt <gimmickless at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > And let's also hope we can find people who don't think "technical
> > presentations for the masses" is an oxymoron.
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 7:10 AM, Crawford Rainwater
> > <crawford.rainwater at linux-etc.com> wrote:
> > > Shawn:
> > >
> > > In a nut shell "yes".  Some sales people are not "sales engineers" and
> some are.  When the presentation goes into what I would describe as a "used
> car sales pitch" scenario vs. a technical presentation, a Chris and I have
> pointed out, the CLUE attendees often become quite disgruntle.  From what I
> am understanding on recent low level of attendees to recent CLUE meetings, I
> would prefer meetings cater towards technical presentations for the masses
> to encourage return visits.
> > >
> > > FWIW.
> > >
> > > --- Crawford
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> > > ----- Shawn Perry <redmop924 at comcast.net> wrote: -----
> > >>
> > >> That is simply because the sales team did not do the proper research
> > >> so they
> > >> could bring the proper tools or information to the meeting. A common
> > >> problem.
> > >>
> > >> So the issue isn't with all sales people, but instead with unprepared
> > >> sales
> > >> people?
> > >>
> > >> On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 9:47 PM, chris fedde <chris at fedde.us> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > Much of the time sales people have a hard time fielding detailed
> > >> > questions about their product. Frequently they need to hand such
> > >> > questions off to a CE or other technical support. Presentations by
> > >> > sales people at a gathering like CLUE sometimes end up as a waste of
> > >> > both parties time.
> > >> >
> > >> > On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 10:42 PM, Shawn Perry
> > >> > <redmop924 at comcast.net>
> > >> > wrote:
> > >> > > What is so bad about sales people anyway?
> > >> > >
> > >
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