[clue-talk] On "sales people" (was Re: Sales presentations at meetings)

[Shawn Perry]

Awesome.  I'd really like to know how ESX(i) holds up to Proxmox/KVM,
which is what I use, unless it's not my site.

Shawn

On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 1:40 PM, Mike Bean <beandaemon at gmail.com> wrote:
> I wouldn't worry, thus far I've been privy to both sides of the discussion.
>  I haven't had much contact with the SE's, but I haven't heard many people
> flinch at sticking to mostly technical details.  You know, WORST case
> scenario, If I can get enough lead time to prepare, and there's enough
> interest, I'LL do a talk on ESX/ESXi.  I'll even bring in my ESXi box.  (I
> promise you, I'm a TERRIBLE politician.)     The downsides are obvious.  1)
> I believe in the "speak to your audience" philosophy, and I don't really
> know what CLUE wants to know about ESX/ESXi.   2) VMware has allot more
> products then most people think we do, and I have relatively sharply limited
> experience in many of the others.   Workstation/View/VDR/Converter/Virtual
> Center...etc....etc...
> I'm not much of a good corporate stooge, but I think the problems that
> remain are mostly logistical ones.
> Mike Bean
> On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 1:31 PM, Shawn Perry <redmop924 at comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> First, it can be an oxy moron.
>>
>> Second, we are not the masses, though many of us dream to be.
>>
>> Personally, I don't really want something overly technical, though I
>> do want a good amount of technical meat there.  I also want something
>> that's not overly salesy (is that a word?), but I don't mind being
>> sold to if sold to properly, in a language I speak.  Some sales
>> engineers do that, some do not.
>>
>> Shawn
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 8:10 AM, Ken Westervelt <gimmickless at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > And let's also hope we can find people who don't think "technical
>> > presentations for the masses" is an oxymoron.
>> >
>> > On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 7:10 AM, Crawford Rainwater
>> > <crawford.rainwater at linux-etc.com> wrote:
>> > > Shawn:
>> > >
>> > > In a nut shell "yes".  Some sales people are not "sales engineers" and
>> > > some are.  When the presentation goes into what I would describe as a "used
>> > > car sales pitch" scenario vs. a technical presentation, a Chris and I have
>> > > pointed out, the CLUE attendees often become quite disgruntle.  From what I
>> > > am understanding on recent low level of attendees to recent CLUE meetings, I
>> > > would prefer meetings cater towards technical presentations for the masses
>> > > to encourage return visits.
>> > >
>> > > FWIW.
>> > >
>> > > --- Crawford
>> > > CLUE Admin
>> > >
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>> > >
>> > > ----- Shawn Perry <redmop924 at comcast.net> wrote: -----
>> > >>
>> > >> That is simply because the sales team did not do the proper research
>> > >> so they
>> > >> could bring the proper tools or information to the meeting. A common
>> > >> problem.
>> > >>
>> > >> So the issue isn't with all sales people, but instead with unprepared
>> > >> sales
>> > >> people?
>> > >>
>> > >> On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 9:47 PM, chris fedde <chris at fedde.us> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> > Much of the time sales people have a hard time fielding detailed
>> > >> > questions about their product. Frequently they need to hand such
>> > >> > questions off to a CE or other technical support. Presentations by
>> > >> > sales people at a gathering like CLUE sometimes end up as a waste
>> > >> > of
>> > >> > both parties time.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 10:42 PM, Shawn Perry
>> > >> > <redmop924 at comcast.net>
>> > >> > wrote:
>> > >> > > What is so bad about sales people anyway?
>> > >> > >
>> > >
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