[clue-talk] On "sales people" (was Re: Sales presentations at meetings)

[Mike Bean]

Well, I can't speak to KVM I'm still trying to learn it on the desktop, but
I can say with supreme confidence that ESXi's biggest problems are that most
people don't understand it/misconfigure it.   It's hideously complex and
modular, and frequently we get calls from people who had to "take over their
cluster" after the ESX/ESXi guy "left" and have no experience with the
subject.  Long story short, I got assigned to "fault" after coming here.
 That means the people who call because their host crashed and they want to
know why, generally end up talking to me or someone like me.

The net effect is not completely unlike trying to learn about cars by
studying crushed cubes at the demolition yard.  People like me are a mixed
blessing.  We may not always know what to do, but we have a pretty strong
grasp on what NOT to do.

Mike Bean

On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 1:43 PM, Shawn Perry <redmop924 at comcast.net> wrote:

> Awesome.  I'd really like to know how ESX(i) holds up to Proxmox/KVM,
> which is what I use, unless it's not my site.
>
> Shawn
>
> On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 1:40 PM, Mike Bean <beandaemon at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I wouldn't worry, thus far I've been privy to both sides of the
> discussion.
> >  I haven't had much contact with the SE's, but I haven't heard many
> people
> > flinch at sticking to mostly technical details.  You know, WORST case
> > scenario, If I can get enough lead time to prepare, and there's enough
> > interest, I'LL do a talk on ESX/ESXi.  I'll even bring in my ESXi box.
>  (I
> > promise you, I'm a TERRIBLE politician.)     The downsides are obvious.
>  1)
> > I believe in the "speak to your audience" philosophy, and I don't really
> > know what CLUE wants to know about ESX/ESXi.   2) VMware has allot more
> > products then most people think we do, and I have relatively sharply
> limited
> > experience in many of the others.
> Workstation/View/VDR/Converter/Virtual
> > Center...etc....etc...
> > I'm not much of a good corporate stooge, but I think the problems that
> > remain are mostly logistical ones.
> > Mike Bean
> > On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 1:31 PM, Shawn Perry <redmop924 at comcast.net>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> First, it can be an oxy moron.
> >>
> >> Second, we are not the masses, though many of us dream to be.
> >>
> >> Personally, I don't really want something overly technical, though I
> >> do want a good amount of technical meat there.  I also want something
> >> that's not overly salesy (is that a word?), but I don't mind being
> >> sold to if sold to properly, in a language I speak.  Some sales
> >> engineers do that, some do not.
> >>
> >> Shawn
> >>
> >> On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 8:10 AM, Ken Westervelt <gimmickless at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > And let's also hope we can find people who don't think "technical
> >> > presentations for the masses" is an oxymoron.
> >> >
> >> > On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 7:10 AM, Crawford Rainwater
> >> > <crawford.rainwater at linux-etc.com> wrote:
> >> > > Shawn:
> >> > >
> >> > > In a nut shell "yes".  Some sales people are not "sales engineers"
> and
> >> > > some are.  When the presentation goes into what I would describe as
> a "used
> >> > > car sales pitch" scenario vs. a technical presentation, a Chris and
> I have
> >> > > pointed out, the CLUE attendees often become quite disgruntle.  From
> what I
> >> > > am understanding on recent low level of attendees to recent CLUE
> meetings, I
> >> > > would prefer meetings cater towards technical presentations for the
> masses
> >> > > to encourage return visits.
> >> > >
> >> > > FWIW.
> >> > >
> >> > > --- Crawford
> >> > > CLUE Admin
> >> > >
> >> > > The Linux ETC Company
> >> > > 10121 Yates Court
> >> > > Westminster, CO 80031 USA
> >> > > voice:  +1.303.604.2550
> >> > > web:    http://www.linux-etc.com
> >> > >
> >> > > ----- Shawn Perry <redmop924 at comcast.net> wrote: -----
> >> > >>
> >> > >> That is simply because the sales team did not do the proper
> research
> >> > >> so they
> >> > >> could bring the proper tools or information to the meeting. A
> common
> >> > >> problem.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> So the issue isn't with all sales people, but instead with
> unprepared
> >> > >> sales
> >> > >> people?
> >> > >>
> >> > >> On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 9:47 PM, chris fedde <chris at fedde.us>
> wrote:
> >> > >>
> >> > >> > Much of the time sales people have a hard time fielding detailed
> >> > >> > questions about their product. Frequently they need to hand such
> >> > >> > questions off to a CE or other technical support. Presentations
> by
> >> > >> > sales people at a gathering like CLUE sometimes end up as a waste
> >> > >> > of
> >> > >> > both parties time.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 10:42 PM, Shawn Perry
> >> > >> > <redmop924 at comcast.net>
> >> > >> > wrote:
> >> > >> > > What is so bad about sales people anyway?
> >> > >> > >
> >> > >
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