[CLUE-Tech] Re:why on earth should linux attempt to become user friendly?

Cyberclops Cyberclops at hawaii.rr.com
Wed Apr 18 19:08:01 MDT 2001


Is it possible to get "sudo" to toggle your entire desktop into a "root"
mode?

Brandon N wrote:
> 
> I used sudo for this, without using the command line, admittedly, it
> requires you do a little manual editing first.
> 
> edit the menus where is says "usermanager" or whatever it's called,
> change that to "sudo usermanager"
> then edit the sudo configuration to allow the users that you want to
> have access to usermanger.
> 
> Brandon
> --- Cyberclops <Cyberclops at hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
> > It's interesting that CLI Geeks often seem to equate user
> > friendliness
> > with a lack of power or missing features.  User friendliness does not
> > mean less features or or less power.  In fact one of my gripes with
> > Linux is that it is hard to use in GUI mode because the GUIs (as far
> > as
> > I know) don't take into consideration that I would like to have the
> > power to configure my own desktop without having to log into root.
> > In
> > SuSE 7.1 as a user, I tried to open up the "user manager" which is in
> > fact placed on my user menu by SuSE, and I go a message that only
> > root
> > can use it.  If that's the case, why is it even cluttering and
> > already
> > confusing menu?  How can I temporarily  switch my user log in to a
> > root
> > mode with out having to stop my work, log out, log in to root, log
> > out
> > as root, log back in as user, and recommence me work.  That's not a
> > user
> > friendly sequence.  What should happen is that when I try to launch
> > the
> > program as a user, it should ask for the root password, and if I know
> > it, I should be able to use the program.  Any ideas other than using
> > the
> > CLI?  While I agree that the CLI is versatile, and powerful, I would
> > rather relate to my computer with a smooth operating GUI.  Linux
> > comes
> > up short in this area.  It's my belief that most users would prefer
> > an
> > easy to use computer that doesn't require the memorization of long
> > cryptic command sequences.
> >
> > Kevin Cullis wrote:
> > >
> > > Cyberclops wrote:
> > > >
> > > > You don't have to look far to find versions of Linux which aren't
> > user
> > > > friendly.  I would like it user friendly because I don't want to
> > have
> > > > anything to do with M$ or Apple.
> > > >
> > > > Open source shouldn't be synonymous with difficult to use.
> > > >
> > > > Nicholas Perez wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > RANT_MODE=1;
> > > > > Maybe it is just me, but why on earth should linux attempt to
> > become user
> > > > > friendly? Why should Linux become a Redmond-esque clone, trying
> > to immitate
> > > > > the ui? Personally, I like Linux at the level it is at.
> > >
> > > Being user friendly has a number of connotations.  Personally, I'd
> > like
> > > to see an Apple GUI on top of Linux because of the consistency and
> > > simplicity of the UI, but I'm liking the power of the CLI.  Think
> > of it
> > > this way: having a Apple-like GUI gives someone a change to start
> > using
> > > a computer who may be just starting out (and with all of the
> > > reliability, etc.). But if you had the power of Linux underneath,
> > that
> > > person would be able to grow with the system and not be hampered by
> > the
> > > old Mac OS (8 or 9).  Also, a system administrator would love to be
> > able
> > > to administer a Linux OS with a simple GUI for average users,
> > wouldn't
> > > they?
> > >
> > > Within two years I would predict that the GUI's for Linux will be
> > at the
> > > level of better ease of use and will be ready for the average user.
> > >
> > > The key issue is the potential of migration of users to Linux.  80%
> > of
> > > the computer users DON'T care to know more about the power of Linux
> > > because it does what they need. However, don't limit their
> > potential
> > > experience by NOT making that power available.
> > >
> > > Kevin
> > >
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