[CLUE-Tech] Re:why on earth should linux attempt to become user friendly?

[Brandon N]

sudo doesn't really "toggle" anything, when you start a program with
sudo as a wrapper, that program has the priveleges of root.

so I suppose you could do "sudo startx"  but I don't really see the
point.

most of the time, you don't want to be logged in as root.


--- Cyberclops <Cyberclops at hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
> Is it possible to get "sudo" to toggle your entire desktop into a
> "root"
> mode?
> 
> Brandon N wrote:
> > 
> > I used sudo for this, without using the command line, admittedly,
> it
> > requires you do a little manual editing first.
> > 
> > edit the menus where is says "usermanager" or whatever it's called,
> > change that to "sudo usermanager"
> > then edit the sudo configuration to allow the users that you want
> to
> > have access to usermanger.
> > 
> > Brandon
> > --- Cyberclops <Cyberclops at hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
> > > It's interesting that CLI Geeks often seem to equate user
> > > friendliness
> > > with a lack of power or missing features.  User friendliness does
> not
> > > mean less features or or less power.  In fact one of my gripes
> with
> > > Linux is that it is hard to use in GUI mode because the GUIs (as
> far
> > > as
> > > I know) don't take into consideration that I would like to have
> the
> > > power to configure my own desktop without having to log into
> root.
> > > In
> > > SuSE 7.1 as a user, I tried to open up the "user manager" which
> is in
> > > fact placed on my user menu by SuSE, and I go a message that only
> > > root
> > > can use it.  If that's the case, why is it even cluttering and
> > > already
> > > confusing menu?  How can I temporarily  switch my user log in to
> a
> > > root
> > > mode with out having to stop my work, log out, log in to root,
> log
> > > out
> > > as root, log back in as user, and recommence me work.  That's not
> a
> > > user
> > > friendly sequence.  What should happen is that when I try to
> launch
> > > the
> > > program as a user, it should ask for the root password, and if I
> know
> > > it, I should be able to use the program.  Any ideas other than
> using
> > > the
> > > CLI?  While I agree that the CLI is versatile, and powerful, I
> would
> > > rather relate to my computer with a smooth operating GUI.  Linux
> > > comes
> > > up short in this area.  It's my belief that most users would
> prefer
> > > an
> > > easy to use computer that doesn't require the memorization of
> long
> > > cryptic command sequences.
> > >
> > > Kevin Cullis wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Cyberclops wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > You don't have to look far to find versions of Linux which
> aren't
> > > user
> > > > > friendly.  I would like it user friendly because I don't want
> to
> > > have
> > > > > anything to do with M$ or Apple.
> > > > >
> > > > > Open source shouldn't be synonymous with difficult to use.
> > > > >
> > > > > Nicholas Perez wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > RANT_MODE=1;
> > > > > > Maybe it is just me, but why on earth should linux attempt
> to
> > > become user
> > > > > > friendly? Why should Linux become a Redmond-esque clone,
> trying
> > > to immitate
> > > > > > the ui? Personally, I like Linux at the level it is at.
> > > >
> > > > Being user friendly has a number of connotations.  Personally,
> I'd
> > > like
> > > > to see an Apple GUI on top of Linux because of the consistency
> and
> > > > simplicity of the UI, but I'm liking the power of the CLI. 
> Think
> > > of it
> > > > this way: having a Apple-like GUI gives someone a change to
> start
> > > using
> > > > a computer who may be just starting out (and with all of the
> > > > reliability, etc.). But if you had the power of Linux
> underneath,
> > > that
> > > > person would be able to grow with the system and not be
> hampered by
> > > the
> > > > old Mac OS (8 or 9).  Also, a system administrator would love
> to be
> > > able
> > > > to administer a Linux OS with a simple GUI for average users,
> > > wouldn't
> > > > they?
> > > >
> > > > Within two years I would predict that the GUI's for Linux will
> be
> > > at the
> > > > level of better ease of use and will be ready for the average
> user.
> > > >
> > > > The key issue is the potential of migration of users to Linux. 
> 80%
> > > of
> > > > the computer users DON'T care to know more about the power of
> Linux
> > > > because it does what they need. However, don't limit their
> > > potential
> > > > experience by NOT making that power available.
> > > >
> > > > Kevin
> > > >
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