[CLUE-Tech] Apache Web Server and VB code

[Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier]

On Sun, 7 Apr 2002, Dave Anselmi wrote:

> Well...  The employer is requiring it.  Since I'm the only (real) programmer there I
> could object and probably use something else instead.  I figured I'd give MS a try
> until I know enough to make my objections specific and first hand.

That's much more objective than I would be. :)

*snip*

> I'm glad to hear that.  In my first .NET class a guy said "that's what MS has always
> done so well--given developers the tools they want".  By the end of the class I
> realized 2 things: their IDE is not what I want, since I can't program it; and he
> was a "VB programmer" who didn't know much about programming.

Well, I'd say M$ has generally convinced developers that their tools
are what they want... it's true that they probably do a good job of
creating user interfaces for the kind of people who like Microsoft.
To put it another way, I'd wager that 95% of dedicated M$ developers
don't really know the alternatives and once they "learn" the M$
stuff, they don't want to have to learn something else. Microsoft
has pissed off high-profile developers in the past, though. I
recall the author of the VB "Unleashed" books publically renounced
VB with version 6 because it broke almost all VB 5 code.

VB and most of Microsoft's tools are fine for their original intended
purpose - small projects for small offices and such. The problem
(as I see it...) is that the "everything should be GUI, everything
should be easy" attitude is being pushed to every aspect of computing
by Microsoft. I don't want an OS that doesn't allow me "under the
hood" and I don't want to be forced to use Windows just to browse
the Web or to work in the tech industry. And I don't want someone
administering systems that doesn't have the patience and brains to
learn *nix.

> It really drives me nuts that I can't use vi key bindings when editing in Visual
> Studio (but vim has something for that, so maybe there's hope).

That would make me insane. If Microsoft really listened to its developers,
Visual Studio should have Emacs and Vi modes... I think Word used to have
a WordPerfect mode or something... Word 97 at least had a specific help
file for WordPerfect users.

> I'm trying to get to a "Visual Studio users' group" to see what I can learn.  Since
> it's hosted at the MS office here I expect a lobotomy to be the entrance fee :-)  At
> the class I took, I asked the instructor if the group had a mail list.  He said they
> do, to announce meetings, and was baffled when I described the CLUE lists.

Yeah, it's a totally different world. Good luck with it...

Take care,

Zonker
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