UNSUBSCRIBE YOURSELF, was [CLUE-Tech] Please Unsubscribe

[Joe Linux]

I didn't follow the thread all that closely, but I'm not sure it's not 
as clear as you think.  Saying, "I would do this,"  doesn't necessarily 
mean that someone else will think or do in the same fashion.  For 
example there are a lot of lists where you do just send and email saying 
"unsubscribe" and then somehow you get taken off the list.

I'm a retired teacher, and know for a fact that many people have 
difficulty following directions.  You could actually be in the same room 
watching the same computer and say, "Click on the link at the bottom of 
the screen." and the person you are talking to still might not see it. 
 They might not know how to use the scroll bar, and be completely 
ignorant of a wheel mouse.   I was trying to help a guy, and he didn't 
know what a "link" was or for that matter that you could even "click" on 
it.  I have seen school teachers who honestly had great difficulty even 
running a mouse.  If you don't think all this is true just watch a 
"handicapped" Mac user try to use Windows, or watch them try to use the 
KDE desktop set in the single click mode.

In all honesty Mac users seem to be the most lame, and completely 
unadaptable to any new circumstance.  I saw a long time Mac user with a 
doctorate in math become completely confused and frustrated by the 
"Windows" style task bar.  He claimed you couldn't see what applications 
were open, and became lost when trying to switch documents when more 
than one was open at a time.  He couldn't understand a file "tree" and 
hence stored everything on his "desktop." Even his Mac was a complete 
mess with a multitude of documents stored right on his computer "desktop."

Randy Arabie wrote:

>>Probably what you do is "suggest" to them that it is an easy task and 
>>expedient for them to unsubscribe themselves; and I'm guessing that
>>you point them in the right direction.  
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>I hate to beat a dead horse, but here are my thoughts:
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>1.  If I voluntarily sign up for a email list via a form on a webpage, 
>then that's one of the first places I would go looking for information 
>on unsubscribing.
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>2.  If the email from a list to which I wish to subscribe has a link 
>with "listinfo" as part of the URL, then that's another likely spot I 
>would go to look for information on unsubscribing.
>
>3.  Immediately upon subscribing to the list the new subscriber 
>receives an email with explicit instructions on how to unsubscribe.
>
>4.  I expect any reasonably intelligent person (especially someone who 
>proclaims they are eager to LEARN) to stumble upon the unsubscribe 
>information via one of the three routes listed above.
>
>5.  I don't think the anyone over-reacted.  While the first request was 
>met with a rather blunt response, I wouldn't consider it rude.  And, 
>IMO the responses to the second request were "earned".
>
>6.  Zonker is right in stating that this is a perfect (and small) 
>example of a larger societal problem.  The unsubscriber was not seeking 
>help, he/she was asking someone to fix his/her problem without first 
>making an effort to do so on his/her own. 
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