[clue-tech] WS upgrades [was My/PgSQLs and FVWM on RH]

[Collins Richey]

On 11/18/05, Nate Duehr <nate at natetech.com> wrote:

> > Should be interesting to see what Ubuntu does with their "pseudo"
> > enterprise releases. Debian without the attitude, and supposedly
> > guaranteed updates over a longer period.
>
> Heh Debian bashing again?... What attitude?

Debian attitude bashing, not Debian bashing. There is a difference.
We've already had that discussion in another thread.

>
> They just say they'll release when it's done.  That drives people batty,
> but I think their proof is in the pudding... Debian Stable is exactly
> that.  Stable.

A rock is also stable, but not very exciting. The Debian concept of
stable (ancient versions, operable on every supported platform)
probably makes sense in a pure server environment, but it has little
to offer in the more modern desktop world where people are interested
in more current versions and are only concerned about stability on one
particular platform (usually intel/amd). In that more modern
environment, fork or no fork, Ubuntu is providing a valuable service.
I'll put my money on "humanity" rather than "smug superiority." You
only need to cruise the Ubuntu forums to see the difference. The type
of newbie questions that receive an RTFM response on more smug Debian
lists are tolerated, and patient explanations are given. See attitude
reference above. Core Debian is frequently its own worst enemy.

[ RH rant snipped ]

There's no need for Rubuntu. CentOS has already done that admirably.

< There's plenty of silly words left
> to name distros after!  Come on guys, we know you're out there!!  (Wink)

An interesting tag line on a Ubuntu forum: "Ubuntu: Ancient African
word meaning I can't configure Debian" <grin>

There's more than a grain of truth there. In the past there have been
a few commercial versions/forks of Debian, but until Ubuntu there was
no attempt to make Debian more accessible to the masses in a free
format. At least this millionaire has funded a worthwhile endeavor.

>
> (It's sad, I know.  Solaris 8 ultimately pays my bills where I'm at
> right now, and that sucks.  One of the new products got *really* close
> to being done on Linux but the developers wanted something "fully
> supported" and couldn't swallow RedHat for some reason, so they were
> going to do SuSE/Novell and then they ran across issues finding hardware
> that was rated for the environment the boxes would mostly go in... Sun
> boxes that were NEBS-compliant were at the same price point, unfortunately.)
>

I think you just made my point. Companies make decisions to drop
technically brilliant solutions in favor of stodgier solutions that
(only supposedly) have better support and/or are more popular.

--
Collins Richey
      Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code ... If you write
      the code as cleverly as possible, you are, by definition, not
      smart enough to debug it.
             -Brian Kernighan
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