[clue] final rant and Pulseaudio question (at the end)

[Matt Dew]

(forgive me for this one last non-tech post to the list.  I'll try to be 
only techie posts only from hence forth.)

Here's what I know.

1) I mean no disrespect towards you or anyone else, but I respect action 
more than words and all I see out of CLUE for the past 6 months is words.
2) I'm not interested in club politics.
3) I'm interested in doing things and getting things done. Some talking 
is good,  all talking is not.
4) I'm sure there's many sides to this story but what I see though is it 
taking 3 weeks to get a simple site set up.  Site crashes multiple times 
per day.  Performance issues that noone understands,  at least 2 
versions of the site because some people want a playground and some just 
want a site that works.
5) At the risk of sounding like a complete jerk:
    if someone (whoever) can't get a website up and running in 3 weeks, 
it's time for that person to go sit back on the porch and let someone 
else to take over.  Whether that's you and rackspace or Shawn and 
bluehost. I don't care. Not one bit. At all.  It's whoever gets it up 
and running first, is cheapest for CLUE both in cost and admin effort.

There, I'm done talking. I'm sick of talking.  I've got more to say but 
I will not be yet another person who just talks.  I'm gonna go do stuff now.

Has anyone tied in ladspa/other and pulseaudio?   I've got pulseaudio on 
laptop A streaming to pulseaudio on laptop B.  My headphones are plugged 
into B.  I'd like to have a _good_ mixer running on B.
and alsamixer and PA's volume control are not sufficient for what I want.




On 06/06/2011 09:40 AM, YES NOPE9 wrote:
>>
>> On Jun 5, 2011, at 9:06 PM, Matt Dew wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Raymond
>>> I would be happy to discuss with you how CLUE can be run as a
>>> multi-experimental club where everybody does what they want and enjoy.
>>> In case you were not aware of it, the latest server meeting pre-empts
>>> the work that was done earlier on the website and mail-list. ( see
>>> previous meeting notes ) The political heavy-hitters went to the meeting
>>> and the direction of the effort changed. Boom ..... in a heart-beat ...
>>> like the word was laid down. I chose not to go to the meeting and I
>>> think that was wise. I plan to do my own website fun project. Maybe CF
>>> will help me out .... maybe not .... no problem either way.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Mwhahahahaha.<full guteral belly laugh>
>>
>> Preempting previous work? Political heavy-hitters?  You're joking right?
>
> No joke   .... although I agree that this is not as "life and death" as say .... taxes.
>>
>> I went to this meeting and I can assure you I'm not a CLUE heavy weight,
>> heck I'd bet 90% of CLUE people dont' know who I am. I'm just some
>> normal grunt who made time to attend. This meeting was advertised
>> repeatedly, several weeks in advance soas to give people as much time as
>> possible to plan so that whoever was interested could attend.  It was on
>> a weekday because some people were not able to attend during the
>> weekend.  If you chose not to attend, that's your decision, but you have
>> _zero_ right to complain of the outcome.  Eventually you have to fish or
>> cut bait.
>
> There are many sides to this story ..... I had been setting things up .... getting a trial membership with RackSpace.com , running a test with Google Groups ...... all of this was done after discussion with people who were going to the meetings.  Then a new meeting is called and people who had never attended a meeting announced they were coming. These were the political heavy-hitters.  I realize they were concerned with making the CLUE website work properly, with making sure the club is doing good things.  Their approach however is very heavy-handed.  And I am sure it was done with love.  Note that I am being told "  you have _zero_ right to complain of the outcome " .  That does not sound too cool.
>
>> Look folks, this is just a website, non-technical people do this every
>> day.  We're not creating a new form of government. Get over yourselves.
>
>
> This club has a form of government.... just because it is a club does not mean it does not have a structure.  The question for me is.... what kind of structure.
>
>> CLUE has spent ~3 weeks on something a high school student could have
>> done in an evening. (~3 months if you consider Crawford's issues.)
>
> The website project was largely completed and then there was a problem and the whole thing was jerked largely into oblivion.  Not massaged or managed .... just set aside and a uni-lateral pronouncement was made to start over.  That's why I attended all the earlier meetings and skipped this latest one.
>
>> I'm
>> not familiar with bluehost and I don't care. I know CLUE folks love
>> repeatedly talking about the same thing over and over and over and over
>> and over and over, rather than actually doing anything but I for one, am
>> _VERY_ happy that someone finally made a decision and we can move
>> forward. (Actually 6 people came to a consensus.)
>
> And earlier ... in other meetings ... other people came to a different consensus.  So how about going forward with what was determined over the course of several earlier meetings and that was already in progress ?    Well ... that did not happen because some heavy hitters said it was not going to happen.  That's life... that's club politics and maybe that is what everyone wants.  I want to at least keep the facts straight.
>
>> Now, the question is,
>> will there be follow through or will the whiners start complaining loud
>> enough to stop everything and we'll continue on in the current position?
>>   I'm hoping and rooting for actual progress, but the force is strong
>> with the whiners and complainers on this list.
>
>
> Read the earlier emails about meetings.  If I wanted a dictatorial leader, I would have joined the "Nazi club for seniors".   ( see Godwin's law ......  also feel pity for seniors ha ha )
>
>> Is anyone in CLUE actually interested in doing something as opposed to
>> just talking about doing something (or whining,complaining)?
>
>
> I guess I am in the club to have fun , do things and not get rail-roaded. I am happy to have this opportunity to rebut statement made about what has happened and is happening.
>
> Having said all that ...... and admitting I am not perfect .....  Mwhahahahaha.<full gutural belly laugh>    ...... I will be working on setting up some projects that CLUE lurkers may be interested in participating in.  See.... I can be positive.
>
> 99guspuppet
>
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