[clue] final rant and Pulseaudio question (at the end)

[Philipp Giddings]

You should have volunteered your far Superior intellect and skillets to 
the club I am sure you could have wiped that server into shape in no time
easy to knock the efforts of someone who has put in a lot of time and effort
Maybe you should run for president of the club and thing would vastly 
improve under your leadership.


On 6/6/2011 11:25 AM, Matt Dew wrote:
> (forgive me for this one last non-tech post to the list.  I'll try to be
> only techie posts only from hence forth.)
>
> Here's what I know.
>
> 1) I mean no disrespect towards you or anyone else, but I respect action
> more than words and all I see out of CLUE for the past 6 months is words.
> 2) I'm not interested in club politics.
> 3) I'm interested in doing things and getting things done. Some talking
> is good,  all talking is not.
> 4) I'm sure there's many sides to this story but what I see though is it
> taking 3 weeks to get a simple site set up.  Site crashes multiple times
> per day.  Performance issues that noone understands,  at least 2
> versions of the site because some people want a playground and some just
> want a site that works.
> 5) At the risk of sounding like a complete jerk:
>      if someone (whoever) can't get a website up and running in 3 weeks,
> it's time for that person to go sit back on the porch and let someone
> else to take over.  Whether that's you and rackspace or Shawn and
> bluehost. I don't care. Not one bit. At all.  It's whoever gets it up
> and running first, is cheapest for CLUE both in cost and admin effort.
>
> There, I'm done talking. I'm sick of talking.  I've got more to say but
> I will not be yet another person who just talks.  I'm gonna go do stuff now.
>
> Has anyone tied in ladspa/other and pulseaudio?   I've got pulseaudio on
> laptop A streaming to pulseaudio on laptop B.  My headphones are plugged
> into B.  I'd like to have a _good_ mixer running on B.
> and alsamixer and PA's volume control are not sufficient for what I want.
>
>
>
>
> On 06/06/2011 09:40 AM, YES NOPE9 wrote:
>>> On Jun 5, 2011, at 9:06 PM, Matt Dew wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Raymond
>>>> I would be happy to discuss with you how CLUE can be run as a
>>>> multi-experimental club where everybody does what they want and enjoy.
>>>> In case you were not aware of it, the latest server meeting pre-empts
>>>> the work that was done earlier on the website and mail-list. ( see
>>>> previous meeting notes ) The political heavy-hitters went to the meeting
>>>> and the direction of the effort changed. Boom ..... in a heart-beat ...
>>>> like the word was laid down. I chose not to go to the meeting and I
>>>> think that was wise. I plan to do my own website fun project. Maybe CF
>>>> will help me out .... maybe not .... no problem either way.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Mwhahahahaha.<full guteral belly laugh>
>>>
>>> Preempting previous work? Political heavy-hitters?  You're joking right?
>> No joke   .... although I agree that this is not as "life and death" as say .... taxes.
>>> I went to this meeting and I can assure you I'm not a CLUE heavy weight,
>>> heck I'd bet 90% of CLUE people dont' know who I am. I'm just some
>>> normal grunt who made time to attend. This meeting was advertised
>>> repeatedly, several weeks in advance soas to give people as much time as
>>> possible to plan so that whoever was interested could attend.  It was on
>>> a weekday because some people were not able to attend during the
>>> weekend.  If you chose not to attend, that's your decision, but you have
>>> _zero_ right to complain of the outcome.  Eventually you have to fish or
>>> cut bait.
>> There are many sides to this story ..... I had been setting things up .... getting a trial membership with RackSpace.com , running a test with Google Groups ...... all of this was done after discussion with people who were going to the meetings.  Then a new meeting is called and people who had never attended a meeting announced they were coming. These were the political heavy-hitters.  I realize they were concerned with making the CLUE website work properly, with making sure the club is doing good things.  Their approach however is very heavy-handed.  And I am sure it was done with love.  Note that I am being told "  you have _zero_ right to complain of the outcome " .  That does not sound too cool.
>>
>>> Look folks, this is just a website, non-technical people do this every
>>> day.  We're not creating a new form of government. Get over yourselves.
>>
>> This club has a form of government.... just because it is a club does not mean it does not have a structure.  The question for me is.... what kind of structure.
>>
>>> CLUE has spent ~3 weeks on something a high school student could have
>>> done in an evening. (~3 months if you consider Crawford's issues.)
>> The website project was largely completed and then there was a problem and the whole thing was jerked largely into oblivion.  Not massaged or managed .... just set aside and a uni-lateral pronouncement was made to start over.  That's why I attended all the earlier meetings and skipped this latest one.
>>
>>> I'm
>>> not familiar with bluehost and I don't care. I know CLUE folks love
>>> repeatedly talking about the same thing over and over and over and over
>>> and over and over, rather than actually doing anything but I for one, am
>>> _VERY_ happy that someone finally made a decision and we can move
>>> forward. (Actually 6 people came to a consensus.)
>> And earlier ... in other meetings ... other people came to a different consensus.  So how about going forward with what was determined over the course of several earlier meetings and that was already in progress ?    Well ... that did not happen because some heavy hitters said it was not going to happen.  That's life... that's club politics and maybe that is what everyone wants.  I want to at least keep the facts straight.
>>
>>> Now, the question is,
>>> will there be follow through or will the whiners start complaining loud
>>> enough to stop everything and we'll continue on in the current position?
>>>    I'm hoping and rooting for actual progress, but the force is strong
>>> with the whiners and complainers on this list.
>>
>> Read the earlier emails about meetings.  If I wanted a dictatorial leader, I would have joined the "Nazi club for seniors".   ( see Godwin's law ......  also feel pity for seniors ha ha )
>>
>>> Is anyone in CLUE actually interested in doing something as opposed to
>>> just talking about doing something (or whining,complaining)?
>>
>> I guess I am in the club to have fun , do things and not get rail-roaded. I am happy to have this opportunity to rebut statement made about what has happened and is happening.
>>
>> Having said all that ...... and admitting I am not perfect .....  Mwhahahahaha.<full gutural belly laugh>     ...... I will be working on setting up some projects that CLUE lurkers may be interested in participating in.  See.... I can be positive.
>>
>> 99guspuppet
>>
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