[clue] July meeting.

[David L. Willson]

I think you missed what I said about CC'ing Maxwell... 

-- 
David L. Willson 
Trainer, Engineer, Enthusiast 
RHCE Network+ A+ Linux+ LPIC-1 Ubuntu 
Mobile 720-333-LANS(5267) 

This is a good time for a r3VOLution. 

----- Original Message -----

> My impression is that both were designed for tablets or for
> touch-screen monitors. I can tell you a few things I don't like but
> I abandoned it last summer, so I don't remember everything I hated
> and I don't know if they fixed any of them. Based on complaints, I
> don't think so.

> 1. I haven't tried Unity but I don't like Gnome 3's cumbersome method
> of starting a program that you don't know the name of. On a large
> screen, it requires a lot more mouse movement. Plus the icons are
> too damned big because they are meant to be touched. If you know the
> name, there is a way to type the name instead. But if you don't know
> the name?

> 2. I don't like the fact that deleting a file in Gnome doesn't work
> with Ctrl-D anymore. That's definitely not tablet-oriented.

> 3. If I recall correctly, clicking on an icon would not start a
> program if it was already running. It would take me to that program
> instead. I think I had to hold down a key to start another copy.

> 4. I don't want programs to automatically maximize if I accidentally
> move it to the top of the screen.

> 5. Most of the configurability disappeared. System is gone. There is
> an addon package for configuration, but it only does a few things.
> Why should this be an addon?

> 6. Gnome 2 worked nicely with sshfs but I couldn't change the sshfs
> configuration in Gnome 3. I think the whole network part
> disappeared.

> 7. The assumption is that everyone had accelerated graphics now.
> Gnome Shell would lock up my netbook at boot, so I tried the classic
> view instead. It looked like crap compared to Gnome 3's menus. It
> was obvious which one they wanted me to use.

> 8. Supposedly Gnome 3 is supposed to enhance your work flow. It
> interfered with mine, so I tried alternatives. I eventually settled
> on KDE4.

> 9. I want to put icons on the desktop! Working documents go there.
> Yes, you can re-enable it but I think the addon package is needed.

> The moderator on Gnome's mailing list had the attitude that the
> developers made these decisions and the users must abide. User
> comments are not welcome unless they support the developers.
> Anything else was deemed negative and he would threaten to kick you
> off the list.

> It seems to me that Gnome learned nothing from KDE's experience
> rolling out KDE4. A big part of KDE's problem was releasing a
> development version and distros immediately made it their KDE
> standard. But it also took KDE a while to restore all the missing
> functionality.

> I think that the current developers wanted to leave their mark. Be
> forward thinking! No legacy! Be revolutionary! Little attention
> seemed to paid to what was good in Gnome 2. Revolutions tend to be
> messy and don't care about people trying to get work done. Evolution
> is usually more gentler.

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David L. Willson" <DLWillson at TheGeek.NU>
> To: "CLUE's mailing list" <clue at cluedenver.org>
> Cc: "Maxwell Spangler" <maxwell at maxwellspangler.com>
> Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 10:26:21 AM
> Subject: Re: [clue] July meeting.

> I don't know. I also don't know if he's on the CLUE list, so... might
> want to be sure to CC him until he answers.

> --
> David L. Willson
> Trainer, Engineer, Enthusiast
> RHCE Network+ A+ Linux+ LPIC-1 Ubuntu
> Mobile 720-333-LANS(5267)

> This is a good time for a r3VOLution.

> ----- Original Message -----

> > Is he running it on a tablet?
> 

> > ----- Original Message -----
> 
> > From: "David L. Willson" <DLWillson at TheGeek.NU>
> 
> > To: "CLUE's mailing list" <clue at cluedenver.org>
> 
> > Cc: "Maxwell Spangler" <maxwell at maxwellspangler.com>
> 
> > Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 9:17:54 AM
> 
> > Subject: Re: [clue] July meeting.
> 

> > That's exactly what I mean! And he swears he has reasons, too!
> 

> > Can you believe it?
> 

> > --
> 
> > David L. Willson
> 
> > Trainer, Engineer, Enthusiast
> 
> > RHCE Network+ A+ Linux+ LPIC-1 Ubuntu
> 
> > Mobile 720-333-LANS(5267)
> 

> > This is a good time for a r3VOLution.
> 

> > ----- Original Message -----
> 

> > > You mean he actually likes the Gnome 3 desktop? Or Unity?
> > 
> 

> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > 
> 
> > > From: "David L. Willson" <DLWillson at TheGeek.NU>
> > 
> 
> > > To: "CLUE's mailing list" <clue at cluedenver.org>
> > 
> 
> > > Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 9:01:11 AM
> > 
> 
> > > Subject: Re: [clue] July meeting.
> > 
> 

> > > I keep begging Maxwell to do a talk on why he's not a cranky old
> > > GNOME2 lover like so much of the Linux world...
> > 
> 

> > > --
> > 
> 
> > > David L. Willson
> > 
> 
> > > Trainer, Engineer, Enthusiast
> > 
> 
> > > RHCE Network+ A+ Linux+ LPIC-1 Ubuntu
> > 
> 
> > > Mobile 720-333-LANS(5267)
> > 
> 

> > > This is a good time for a r3VOLution.
> > 
> 

> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > 
> 
> > > > I was unsuccessful at the last meeting in recruiting a speaker
> > > > for
> > 
> 
> > > > July. We will still meet, even
> > 
> 
> > > > if just to enjoy the view out of the conference room window
> > > > before
> > > > we
> > 
> 
> > > > go get a beer at On the Rocks.
> > 
> 
> > > >
> > 
> 
> > > > This month World IPv6 day happened. I don't think my ISP can
> > > > get
> > > > me
> > 
> 
> > > > v6 (and I'd need a new modem
> > 
> 
> > > > anyway), and using a tunnel is pretty easy (in fact I have a v6
> > 
> 
> > > > address right now, thanks to teredo
> > 
> 
> > > > and Microsoft).
> > 
> 
> > > >
> > 
> 
> > > > But I'd like to hear what it's like to run v6 on a LAN.
> > > > Supposedly
> > 
> 
> > > > configuration is easier (no DHCP
> > 
> 
> > > > required and maybe more robust than avahi). So how does that
> > > > work?
> > 
> 
> > > > Is "built in" IPSEC actually
> > 
> 
> > > > useful or is it still as complex as on v4?
> > 
> 
> > > >
> > 
> 
> > > > Failing a talk on IPv6, tell me what you want to hear and, even
> > 
> 
> > > > better, who can talk about it.
> > 
> 
> > > >
> > 
> 
> > > > I know we're all busy and this is relatively short notice but I
> > > > don't
> > 
> 
> > > > mind an impromptu half hour or
> > 
> 
> > > > hands on demo. So please give it some thought.
> > 
> 
> > > >
> > 
> 
> > > > Thanks!
> > 
> 
> > > > Dave
> > 
> 
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