[clue-admin] Email Lists Referendum

[David L. Willson]

If I didn't mention this earlier, I talked briefly with Dave A. and Dennis last night, and there's no sufficiently good reason not to take votes over email.

Yes, taking votes over email loses the desirable "local bias" I mentioned, but refusing to take them over email has an unacceptably high cost in terms of making folks feel excluded.

So, I'm going to start a new thread asking for votes. It'll be my intent to present the available options in a neutral tone. Let's see how well I do.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg Knaddison" <Greg at GrowingVentureSolutions.com>
To: "CLUE admin" <clue-admin at cluedenver.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 9:37:22 AM
Subject: Re: [clue-admin] Email Lists Referendum

I see it that way because it's "always been that way" since I joined the lists.

My understanding is that you are trying to change the group to focus
on the local aspects and I am fine with that. There are many times
where I've been confused by people who look to local groups for help
on a problem that isn't a local problem.

Let's look at the recent archives:
http://cluedenver.org/pipermail/clue-tech/2010-November/thread.html

I think the majority of those e-mails would be better handled by a
national or international topic specific mailing list.

For example this line of questions/answers about how DNS works:
http://cluedenver.org/pipermail/clue-tech/2010-November/023047.html

If the focus of the list is Colorado why ask a generic DNS question here?

Cheers,
Greg

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On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 8:54 AM, David "Barahon" Willson
<DLWillson at thegeek.nu> wrote:
> Greg: With the huge number of online LUGs available, why would you prefer
> the online aspect of CLUE? This is not intended as a challenge, but an
> exploration. I see CLUE as fundamentally local, and therefore I see it as a
> gatherings-based org. Please help me understand your different view.
>
> Sent via David's Droid X.
>
> -----Original message-----
>
> From: Greg Knaddison <Greg at GrowingVentureSolutions.com>
> To: CLUE admin <clue-admin at cluedenver.org>
> Sent: Tue, Dec 21, 2010 15:42:34 GMT+00:00
> Subject: Re: [clue-admin] Email Lists Referendum
>
> On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 8:43 PM, Collins Richey wrote:
>> On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 11:45 AM, Greg Knaddison
>> wrote:
>>> I'll vote for Current. IMO, anything else is suicide and would drive
>>> away our already dwindling membership.
>>>
>>
>> I don't see why it is "suicide". A single list hasn't been a problem for
>> BLUG.
>
> My impression is that usually when someone posts a job to the wrong
> place or a -talk topic to the -tech list there's more discussion of
> the off-topicnesss than there is discussion of the issue.
>
> If we put everything on one list that's basically saying "anything
> off-topic is welcome here." That works when lists are small or have
> always been that way or the list membership is relatively
> heterogeneous in their beliefs about what's on-topic (I guess BLUG
> fits one or more of those).
>
> I predict that the result of merging all the lists will be that people
> who don't like the new mix of posts will unsubscribe. We'll also get
> arguing about what's on-topic or not and the arguing will cause some
> to unsubscribe.
>
> "Suicide" is definitely a loaded word, but I couldn't think of a
> better way to describe the proposal since it means the part of the
> group I cared about the most (the mailing list) will become less
> useful and less trafficked.
>
> I understand now that this is the intent: weed out people who don't
> attend meetings. So, that's fine. I would no longer call it "suicide"
> and instead maybe "winnowing of the herd."
>
> Cheers,
> Greg
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