[clue-talk] The stimulus bill

[Angelo Bertolli]

On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 11:36 PM, Jeremy Slade <jeremy at jkslade.net> wrote:

>
>
> Sean LeBlanc wrote:
> > On 02-05 18:32, Nate Duehr wrote:
> >>> Obama has spent most of his adult life surrounded by socialists,
> >>> communists, terrorists, and America haters.
> >> Sorry, the only reaction such a statement deserves is: pfft.
> >> ------
> >>
> >> And that right there (the inability to have a discussion, but to only
> "pfft"
> >> it) is one of the great problems in the country today.
> >>
> >> Talk about why you think he wouldn't be influenced by them, explain how
> he's
> >> stronger than any other man alive and won't fall prey to the most basic
> of
> >> desires to "fit in" in any way, whatever... make an argument.  Explain
> why
> >> every Psychology textbook is wrong when it shows that people tend to act
> >> like those they are surrounded by.
> >>
> >> Make a stand as to why he's so great if you don't agree, but don't just
> blow
> >> off the real concerns of others with "pfft".  That's lame.
> >
> > Okay, if the claim was true, and he spent most of his adult life around
> such
> > types, okay, he could be influenced by them. I don't think even the
> > rhetoricians that craft these memes even really mean to say that Obama
> spent
> > most of his life around these types, they are just playing the gotcha
> game.
> >
> > But I reject the premise. And that's really what I was pffffft'ing.
> >
> > If there is any evidence to the contrary, I'll reconsider. None was
> offered.
>
> Surely you jest?  Two very publicized instances are William Ayers and
> Jeremiah Wright.
>
> William Ayers = terrorist.
>
> Jeremiah Wright = America hater.
>
> Those are not people who happened to travel in the same social circles.
>  They are people that he actively involved in his life over the course
> of many years.
>
> Don't expect that a discussion here is going to provide you with the
> evidence you seek.  Evidence of the character of the man Obama is
> readily available, and it's your own responsibility to avail yourself of
> it.
>

Wow, so first you make a statement, and then you cover yourself by saying
there is no evidence, but it's everyone's individual responsibility to look
stuff up and see that you are rights.

I didn't take any debate classes ever, but this sounds just a tad unfair to
me.

Angelo
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